So if this guy was a scammer, why'd he pick a trader with such extensively good feedback, then blow it wide open by making a thread? Seems like an idiot to me.
Crasty:I'm sure I'd have been driven out of the old west for such a thing.
Sticking to the theme. I like it.
So anyway, do we ever get epilogues on thread dramas like these? I am dying to know what happened with that yoshi guy...
Muhahaha:So anyway, do we ever get epilogues on thread dramas like these? I am dying to know what happened with that yoshi guy...
This gets another vote from me. Not that they'd ever tell us jack.
I have spent most of my money on women and beer. The rest I just wasted....
cowboyupinblue: So if this guy was a scammer, why'd he pick a trader with such extensively good feedback, then blow it wide open by making a thread? Seems like an idiot to me.
The more you hang out on these forums, the less shocked you are about stuff like this/
Muhahaha: Crasty:I'm sure I'd have been driven out of the old west for such a thing. Sticking to the theme. I like it. So anyway, do we ever get epilogues on thread dramas like these? I am dying to know what happened with that yoshi guy...
something tells me that all they get is the ban hammer unfortunately
I found one guy scamming the site that gotten away with a couple free games. I reported him and he got banned. All he did was make another account...
You'll find in life that most people who commit crimes aren't very intelligent.
so the OP was trying to scam?
He obviously got banned, I just wish Goozex would comment on whether or not they mad an example out of him and pressed charges. Having someone they could point to and say, "his life is ruined because he scammed us" could help deter would be scammers.
chris100185: Muhahaha: Crasty:I'm sure I'd have been driven out of the old west for such a thing. Sticking to the theme. I like it. So anyway, do we ever get epilogues on thread dramas like these? I am dying to know what happened with that yoshi guy... He obviously got banned, I just wish Goozex would comment on whether or not they mad an example out of him and pressed charges. Having someone they could point to and say, "his life is ruined because he scammed us" could help deter would be scammers.
I don't really see how they could. First off, they would have to PROVE that he didn't send them out, which as far as I know, isn't possible, being as proof is mailing is not REQUIRED on goozex, it just helps if a dispute arises. Secondly, being as what he received in return has no real world value, I don't see as how you could charge him with anything. If I promise to mail you something for free (which, legally, is most likely how this would be seen; can you imagine trying to explain to an elderly judge wtf a "goozex point" is?), and don't do it, that isn't mail fraud. Weirder stuff has happened, don't get me wrong, but on the surface, that's how I see it.
As an aside, I had no idea "Promotional cheques" had been ruled mail fraud. That is interesting.
Proof would be he admitted in the thread that he didn't send them.
Well Mietha, you say there's no real guilt or real world value of these items but the thing is he promised to ship out a LOT of rare and high priced merchandise, Goozex gave him the credit in advance for it (the points) and he spent them all immediately.
He has to recover the loses of Goozex which was about $600.
"Proof would be he admitted in the thread that he didn't send them."
Well, that would go a long way (I didn't know he was THAT stupid. I didn't read the whole thread.). You would still have to conclusively establish that the user name was the person, which is difficult, and that he, himself, posted that, which is more difficult. None of that matters at all, however, if you can't establish that is legally fraud, even if he's screaming "I did it" from the mountains.
Pathogenicity: Well Mietha, you say there's no real guilt or real world value of these items but the thing is he promised to ship out a LOT of rare and high priced merchandise, Goozex gave him the credit in advance for it (the points) and he spent them all immediately. He has to recover the loses of Goozex which was about $600.
Goozex didn't LOSE anything, other than the refunded trade credits, and that's even legally debatable. They lost points, which have no cash value (being as you can not cash them out nor can you sell them directly for money), and which can be endlessly generated by them at no cost what-so-ever. I'm purely speaking from a legal perspective. Common sense or ethics has no bearing when talking about pressing charges, just the law. Of course the guy is scum, but that doesn't make him necessarily guilty of a crime. As I said, stranger things have certainly happened. I'm just saying it would be an extreme long shot to get him convicted of anything. You keep using terms like price and credit. Goozex STRIVES to maintain that points have no cash equivalent (despite the fact that they sell them...). The moment a judge asks "what is the cash equivalent of x points" and you answer with "well that depends [which, honestly, is the only true answer]", I would say that would pretty much be the end of that, unless you were in a VERY modern and enlightened courtroom. I'm by no means trying to defend anything that he did, I'm just stating that it is unlikely that they pressed charges because it would be a very difficult case to prove and would cost far more than they could possibly win, unless it was just tossed out up front, which is honestly what I feel would happen in the vast majority of courts. If the trades were direct, that would be a different story. Then you would be under the "valuables" part of it. Being as the the trades are actually for an abstract number that you can, in theory, trade for something else, is a whole other matter. [Why I say "in theory" is because if there is not currently a marketplace {which isn't always there} and no one is offering anything {which, again, in THEORY, could happen}, and being as there is no way to cash them out, then they would literally, figuratively, and every other -ly you can think of, be worthless] The one thing they MIGHT get by with is the marketplace, being as that is a fixed cash out (more or less) amount. That's pretty much the only angle I can think of that could work. Then again, I could, of course, be completely wrong, but that's my 487 cents...
maybe goozex should "advertise" some scammer detection software, kinda like those fake security cameras. these scammers are in fact this stupid they might believe it and decide not to try and scam, i dont know what you would call it or how it would implemented.......