tumbler:Would it not be fair to hold a lottery all day monday then randomly assign slots for new games on Tuesday? All the comments about this being unfair seem to be coming from people who love getting that first few slots so they get the games they want asap. This would make it possible for hundreds of people to get games they want much sooner rather than just the few that get to the head of the line.
This would make it possible for hundreds of people to get games they want much sooner rather than just the few that get to the head of the line.
The way you worded this makes it seem like the few people who stay up to get in line somehow gobble up hundreds of copies of the same game...
Anyway, I personally stay up to try and get into line for new releases i really want, but not all the time. Honestly, i don't see a big difference when it comes to wait time. It's all relevant really, it depends on what you're requesting.
I've been below 50 in the queue for Capcom vs. Tatsunoko since its release, but am receiving BFBC2 in the mail now, and i didn't even stay up to request that one.
Also, to the original idea of line skipping: No. Don't.
tumbler: Because I like getting games for $1 and I like goozex and I want more people who have the games that I want to choose to trade them via goozex so that I can get the games I want faster as can everyone else waiting...? I'm sitting on several games that I would trade because I know it's going to take a long time to get something else. Demon's Souls, BFBC2, COD MC2, etc only because I know that if I trade all my games I'll just have to sit there with points waiting for something to come available. If certain titles (like titles released within the last 2 weeks?) gave you front of the line privileges to a game of your choice, I wouldn't think twice before trading them. And that would mean that the games I'm waiting on would have more copies in trade as well so while it might push some people back for the first 2 weeks or so after that trades would go a lot faster and those ques of hundreds to thousands wouldn't result in a wait that most people would find unacceptable. If someone buys a new game, then wants to try goozex, trades it, gets 1000 points (or 1200 in some cases) and then adds another game he wants and he's in a que for months(?) for the game he wants? You think he's going to trade new games again? I try not to buy new games as much as possible (I just wait for goozex to get them to me) and I doubt that is unusual on this system, but the more people that buy and trade the better so I think if the system trys to give them a better deal than cheap-o me then I'm ok with that.
Because I like getting games for $1 and I like goozex and I want more people who have the games that I want to choose to trade them via goozex so that I can get the games I want faster as can everyone else waiting...?
I'm sitting on several games that I would trade because I know it's going to take a long time to get something else. Demon's Souls, BFBC2, COD MC2, etc only because I know that if I trade all my games I'll just have to sit there with points waiting for something to come available. If certain titles (like titles released within the last 2 weeks?) gave you front of the line privileges to a game of your choice, I wouldn't think twice before trading them. And that would mean that the games I'm waiting on would have more copies in trade as well so while it might push some people back for the first 2 weeks or so after that trades would go a lot faster and those ques of hundreds to thousands wouldn't result in a wait that most people would find unacceptable.
If someone buys a new game, then wants to try goozex, trades it, gets 1000 points (or 1200 in some cases) and then adds another game he wants and he's in a que for months(?) for the game he wants? You think he's going to trade new games again? I try not to buy new games as much as possible (I just wait for goozex to get them to me) and I doubt that is unusual on this system, but the more people that buy and trade the better so I think if the system trys to give them a better deal than cheap-o me then I'm ok with that.
You still haven't explained why a person who trades new games in more entitles to another new game than the person who is already at the top of the queue.
Your arguement i really comming down to impatience. If you don't want to wait to get games, then this might not be the right place for you.
Drakslayer:Id maybe like to get a cut in line
Everyone would love cutsies. BUt if the world did not abide by lines, it would be like a Hong Kong open air market.
tumbler:I'm sitting on several games that I would trade because I know it's going to take a long time to get something else. Demon's Souls, BFBC2, COD MC2, etc only because I know that if I trade all my games I'll just have to sit there with points waiting for something to come available. If certain titles (like titles released within the last 2 weeks?) gave you front of the line privileges to a game of your choice, I wouldn't think twice before trading them.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. You have games that are 7 months, 2 months, and 6 months old. Trading these would have no affect on you jumping to the front of the line because you have older games. So wether you trade them under the current system or the new system you proposed you still have to wait at the end of the line for newer games. Heck with the new system you will have to wait a lot longer because you will be bypassed by people who get to cut in front of you.
killmak: tumbler:I'm sitting on several games that I would trade because I know it's going to take a long time to get something else. Demon's Souls, BFBC2, COD MC2, etc only because I know that if I trade all my games I'll just have to sit there with points waiting for something to come available. If certain titles (like titles released within the last 2 weeks?) gave you front of the line privileges to a game of your choice, I wouldn't think twice before trading them. That makes absolutely no sense at all. You have games that are 7 months, 2 months, and 6 months old. Trading these would have no affect on you jumping to the front of the line because you have older games. So wether you trade them under the current system or the new system you proposed you still have to wait at the end of the line for newer games. Heck with the new system you will have to wait a lot longer because you will be bypassed by people who get to cut in front of you.
Exactly this. Also lets come up with a situation that would make you understand our annoyances with this.
Say you are next in line for Mass Effect 2. You are so excited because the next game out is yours. Then, oh wait a minute, someone just skipped the line to get in front of me in queue. Well that's ok, the next one after this is mine.
Oh wait a minute, 5 more people just skipped to the front of the line... and so on and so on... and then you have to wait way longer for a game you were in line for fair and square.
killmak:That makes absolutely no sense at all. You have games that are 7 months, 2 months, and 6 months old. Trading these would have no affect on you jumping to the front of the line because you have older games.
It makes perfect sense, to the people who think they deserve "cuts in line". For those who favor orderly line ups, it makes no sense.
I would also like to point out things like not trading out a game because you want a newer game first is a mistake, point wise.Demon's SOuls for instance you could have bought a few days ago NEW for $35 + $10 credit on amazon. Basically $25. Flippers may have snapped a bunch of those up and flooded the oFFERs at 1000pts already?
Borderlands, another one. You can get NEW $36. few months ago would have nabbed 1200 pts for it.
You think your points are better than my points. But they aren't.
Oops. Pardon my duplicate snark.
This change would not benefit me directly. What would benefit me directly is the games I add to my que being more heavily traded in the first 2 weeks after release so that there are more of them to trade in the future. It's a simple principal. If you have 50 items that 5000 people want to use for a week each it's going to take a lot longer for those 50 items to work their way through. Get 100 items, or 500 items and the wait isn't as long for everyone. The first 20 or 30 people in the current system probably have no complaints, but the other 4k in this example might prefer this change. But I guess only the people in the front of the line get to have a say in how things work?
And if I can paint a doomsday scenario that I see with a change like this. For the first 2 weeks of any new games release people requesting that game won't have as much luck getting the game because someone with a game released a week earlier or so (maybe 2?) can bump them. This sucks until next week when another new game comes out and everyone wants to trade this game that you want resulting in tons of copies going into the trading system. So how you get your game right away and someone who is 300 or so on the que may only wait 1/2 as long or less.
It benefits most to have lots of copies of each game being traded. The more the merrier. The people who would not benefit as much are the current people who end up at the front of the line right now. For them games would likely not stay at full point value as long and they might have to wait a few days to a week extra. In general I think more people would likely see a decrease in point value while they play a game if they received it at full 1000 points as moving through the que faster should result in a lower point value? Not 100% sure about this, not sure how the points adjust but I'm guessing this wouldn't be an issue until you got through most of the que?
You know what? I actually agree with this. If you trade new games, you should be able to get new ones in exchange. For example, I'm sitting on a copy of Bad Company 2, and I'm not interested in playing it anymore. I was hoping i could get a copy of Uncharted 2 for it, since they're both 1000 points, and I figured Uncharted 2 would be available, since it came out in October. Of course, Uncharted 2 isn't remotely available at all, and the only games that I can actually get are the hits of Spring 2009. So yes, there should DEFINITELY be some kind of program that lets you trade new games for new games; I'm just not sure what that is.
monsterfracas: You know what? I actually agree with this. If you trade new games, you should be able to get new ones in exchange. For example, I'm sitting on a copy of Bad Company 2, and I'm not interested in playing it anymore. I was hoping i could get a copy of Uncharted 2 for it, since they're both 1000 points, and I figured Uncharted 2 would be available, since it came out in October. Of course, Uncharted 2 isn't remotely available at all, and the only games that I can actually get are the hits of Spring 2009. So yes, there should DEFINITELY be some kind of program that lets you trade new games for new games; I'm just not sure what that is.
That program is called GameTZ. You're missing the point of Goozex. Shut up.
a big help is to use your on hold list liberally for games you might want... i have no idea when i was planning on playing UC2, but I added it to my list a few months after it came out and am now near the front of the line should i choose to activate it...
yeah, it sucks to realize you want a game and end up being 200+ in line, but without the line system, Goozex doesn't really work....
if you want 1:1 game trading, the sites listed earlier work well from what I hear, and I have had decent luck with craigslist myself... or eBay if you want to... you dont get the Goozex guarantee and all that, but you don't get the line...
tumbler: This change would not benefit me directly. What would benefit me directly is the games I add to my que being more heavily traded in the first 2 weeks after release so that there are more of them to trade in the future. It's a simple principal. If you have 50 items that 5000 people want to use for a week each it's going to take a lot longer for those 50 items to work their way through. Get 100 items, or 500 items and the wait isn't as long for everyone. The first 20 or 30 people in the current system probably have no complaints, but the other 4k in this example might prefer this change. But I guess only the people in the front of the line get to have a say in how things work?
This assumes facts that haven't been proven yet. For instance, you are assuming that under this plan more games would come into the system. If they don't then nothing has changed.
Well not nothing, you've effectively introduced a class based system into Goozex, which will change it into something it isn't supposed to be.
All in all, I hate the idea.
The only way I could ever support a cutting system is if it's some sort of reward system. Send X number of games get one cut to use on a new release for example. But even then I'd be fine with things staying how they are.
Lets say that during the first two weeks the game is traded an extra 20 times thanks to this cut in line feature. What incentive is there to trade the game into Goozex after it is two weeks old? According to you there is no incentive so why would the people that got the game off of Goozex during the first two weeks want to trade it back in when according to you there is no value? Its great that there are an extra 20 trades however there are people that would have traded the game in anways so lets say there are 20 people that would have traded it anyways. So that is 40 people that just got a cut in line pass yet only 20 extra copies were traded into the system (of which most would have been eventually traded into Goozex anyways). So 40 people get to cut in front of you for another game now which means you will have to wait even longer for that game. I am sorry but I dont see how these numbers work in your favour. The number of extra copies of the game introduced into the system due to this inentive would not be great enough to counteract the negative impact of people cutting in line. It would be great that I wait up until midnight to get in line for a game and I get super lucky and get first in line but I dont actually get matched up for the game for 2-3 months because some people traded out the newest pokemon ds game within the first 2 weeks of its release.
The idea of people cutting in line is rediculous and just plain stupid. If you want to trade game for game go somewhere else, that is not how Goozex works and not how it should work. If this were implemented I could see it easily being the downfall of Goozex.