Option to trade Game-4-Game Through Goozex???

pcktlnt replied on 03-26-2010 12:47 PM | Locked

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Sorry, but I do not like the idea of line jumping whether it be from direct trade or not. We already have thread after thread of scammers line jumping. Goozex's game trading model works. If you don't believe us, go look up CAG's yearly award. Goozex has won 3 times in a row vs other game trading sites.

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I did not bother to vote in your poll, the two choices are obviously bias. Next time, just put a simple yes or no poll. Then ask for explanation through the thread.

And before you start writing off everyone that disagrees with you, maybe you should do some research, read what other people are posting, and then respond, instead of telling others to read your posts and hinting their opinions are unwelcome.

Splendorlex replied on 03-26-2010 12:49 PM | Locked

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Adding this would kill what Goozex is today.  If you want to trade like this, there are places to do it, like Gametz, or regular message boards for instance.  If you do this all of a sudden the new release trading market is practically dead unless you can link up with someone directly.  

Gouken replied on 03-26-2010 12:50 PM | Locked

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txa1265:

Gouken:

Please think it all the way through before adding your 2 cents.

Please read my post/questions and provide in-depth answers before dismissing others opinions so summarily.

 

cheeznrice:

Kenny007:

txa1265:

... and what if I said I wanted to pay 10 tokens and 10,000 points to be first in line?

And he has the bankroll to do it!  Beware!

*envies your point balance*

He has you all fooled!

Wish you were right ... I tried to spend down my balance, but dumping a few new releases more than paid for the ~15 PS2 games I got my kids ...

I'm sorry, I haven't gotten to your reply yet; however, I will, and will reply shortly.

Black Fox Zulu replied on 03-26-2010 12:52 PM | Locked

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I'm not a big fan of the idea, direct trading just isn't my thing.  I like not having to do much work.

Also, and nothing personal OP, but you may want to reword your "No" answer in the poll.  It comes of as bias, which a poll of this nature should not have.

devyanks90 replied on 03-26-2010 12:53 PM | Locked

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Gouken:

As far as the poll, apparently some members (probably the few that actually took the time to read the whole proposal) find it appealing.

AS OF 1:58 PM EST

24 (# of total votes) * .042 (percentage for yes) = 1 (vote for yes, most likely yourself)

if you have any questions, please see your third grade math teacher

Renaissance 2K replied on 03-26-2010 12:54 PM | Locked

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Gouken:

In any case, saying that it 'would mess up goozex' is an asinine argument that hasn't been argued effective, let alone intellectually countered, given the guidelines outlined to preserve the current system.

Do some research on SaySwap.

devyanks90 replied on 03-26-2010 12:58 PM | Locked

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Renaissance 2K:

Gouken:

In any case, saying that it 'would mess up goozex' is an asinine argument that hasn't been argued effective, let alone intellectually countered, given the guidelines outlined to preserve the current system.

Do some research on SaySwap.

http://www.goozex.com/community/forums/t/37159.aspx

Kenny007 replied on 03-26-2010 12:59 PM | Locked

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Gouken:

Kenny, you may need your eyes checked; but, God bless you anyway.

Seems it is not my eyes that need correction.  Feel free to study the image below.

(EDIT: The 'max image size' forum countermeasure crunched the print screen down a bit.  The red text says: Red arrow seems to point to an elephant, conveniently located 'above' where I was directed to view.   Eye check complete.  Your point is in fact elephant crap as it appears.)  )

The problem now is that you're refusing to reply to any reasonable response to your initial suggestion and are now just implying that anyone (nearly everyone) who disagrees with you cannot read or see, are too young or immature to comprehend your revolutionary idea, or are in some way intellectually inferior.  A clever way to sidestep rebuttals, but that's really all it is, a step out of the way.

This is an old idea that has been shot down plenty times before you 'thought' of it, but if you're going to continue to tout it, at least have the decency to reply to those who took the time to read it and comment on it as you originally requested.

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kalar14 replied on 03-26-2010 1:05 PM | Locked

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I voted no.

I think you may just have to change your mindset.  On other trading sites, trading new titles effectively entitles you trade for new titles (as that's what most people want to do).  That mindset doesn't really work on Goozex.   On Goozex, trading new titles simply entitles you to more points than you would receive at a later date, and even bonus points due to the new 30 day trade thing.  So "more points" is the incentive Goozex is providing for new titles, not the incentive of "play another new release."

Sure your points allow you "indirect access" to other new titles, but due to Goozex's queue system, it doesn't allow for "direct access".  I totally understand the appeal of directly trading new titles for new titles, but it isn't something the Goozex system is designed to do, nor could it really fit into the incentive system Goozex provides.

You should check out GameTZ if directly trading is something you are really interested in.  Everyone over there is very nice.

txa1265 replied on 03-26-2010 1:07 PM | Locked

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Thing is - like Zanna said, we are not just opposing change for the sake of it.  If there is a way to improve the site through a tweak that infuses more new games without screwing with the current system too badly then I would support that.

Problem is, most of us see very clearly how this thing WOULD screw with the current system more than it would benefit it.  Also, it has been brought up more or less quarterly since the forums opened ...

Gouken replied on 03-26-2010 1:07 PM | Locked

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txa1265:

So your thought can be summed up as:

- Those who have traded a "new release from the special approved list" should be able to jump the line and be first to get another "new release from the special approved list"?

Is that correct?  And the rationale is 'if you let me jump ahead of hundreds of others I will be more likely to trade that new game'?

OK ... so what are the OTHER criteria?

- Should it be restricted so that you need to do something to maintain your 'line jumper status' - for example, say you need to trade at least 1 "new release from the special approved list" within 1 week of release during the last 30 days to keep your status?

And what happens if someone sends out 3 "new release from the special approved list" within 30 days and you have only sent 2 ... should they get to jump ahead of YOU in line?

... and what if I said I wanted to pay 10 tokens and 10,000 points to be first in line?

You have legitimate concerns; I hope I've addressed them below.

1. Almost; but, no,  It would give you the option trade game-for-game.  (i.e. Yakuza 1 for Yakuza 2)

2. No not at all, as it would apply to strictly games that have not yet been posted (like the ones I haven't yet put on the site)

3. No one said anything about status -- this would be available to everybody and every game posted after a future date.

4. The system doesn't work like that.  But yes someone with 3 highly in demand titles would surpass someone with only 2 highly in demand title; furthermore, you may jump ahead of him on another game (maybe even the same game) if one of your other games is requested by someone who put up a newer release for Batman Arham Asylum ( assuming you have it for example), and will trade you God of War III for it (for example), but doesn't want to trade Final Fantasy.

5. You'd be crazy because you can buy the game from the Goozex store (or any store) for less, and the proposed system doesn't give value to points; it gives value to rare/in demand games. I'm saying that Goozex maybe able to benefit by charging 2 or 3 tokens for such a trade, rather than the standard 1 token.  And perhaps limit such transactions to 2-3 per member, as to still give the members who want to wait in line a shot.

I hope I've answered your questions; however, feel free to continue if I haven't been clear. 

* Note to Goozex Admins/Mods: Please try to read through the proposal, and overlook the members that have 'trolled this' thread with thoughtless replies.

I-Weapon-X replied on 03-26-2010 1:10 PM | Locked

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Gouken:

* Note to Goozex Admins/Mods: Please try to read through the proposal, and overlook the members that have 'trolled this' thread with thoughtless replies.

If you happen to look back 2 of 3 mods don't like your proposal

And every reply has thought behind it; you just refuse to look at a different viewpoint than your own because you view yourself to be right and anyone who disagrees with you only has a "thoughtless opinion" as you have said

Kenny007 replied on 03-26-2010 1:11 PM | Locked

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Gouken:

* Note to Goozex Admins/Mods: Please try to read through the proposal, and overlook the members that have 'trolled this' thread with thoughtless replies.

lol, I love this shot across the bow of the rest of the community...not to mention that you're replying DIRECTLY to a moderator in the above quote (not that he's the only mod to have read this), and zanna is one of the G-Team itself, which makes it even more amusing that you call them out yet again, as though they ignored you the first time...

...while the rest of us 'idiots' just trolled you for trolling's sake.

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zannabianca replied on 03-26-2010 1:13 PM | Locked

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For the OP: I wanted to share some figures to make sure we are addressing a real problem - instead of maybe a misperception.

Of all requests that a new hot title receives during the first 30 days from release, we see that about 25-45% are completed within the same first 30 days (there are a few exception, but our site average is 31%). After the first 30 days there is a pick up in activity speeding up trades, and often an increase in demand (more requests) too.

Another way to look at it: if you have a spot in line for a hot release within the top 30-35% you should be able to get that game within the first 30 days from release. Does it put things under a different light?

Gouken replied on 03-26-2010 1:14 PM | Locked

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Kenny007:

Gouken:

Kenny, you may need your eyes checked; but, God bless you anyway.

Seems it is not my eyes that need correction.  Feel free to study the image below.

(EDIT: The 'max image size' forum countermeasure crunched the print screen down a bit.  The red text says: Red arrow seems to point to an elephant, conveniently located 'above' where I was directed to view.   Eye check complete.  Your point is in fact elephant crap as it appears.)  )

The problem now is that you're refusing to reply to any reasonable response to your initial suggestion and are now just implying that anyone (nearly everyone) who disagrees with you cannot read or see, are too young or immature to comprehend your revolutionary idea, or are in some way intellectually inferior.  A clever way to sidestep rebuttals, but that's really all it is, a step out of the way.

This is an old idea that has been shot down plenty times before you 'thought' of it, but if you're going to continue to tout it, at least have the decency to reply to those who took the time to read it and comment on it as you originally requested.

What I meant was for you see my comment above, as I'd edited it.  Heh, lost in translation. Sorry for not being clear.  

Please read through my posts, and tell me which concern  I've failed to address.  I'm all for doing what's best for all of us.  I've yet to hear good arguments on why it wouldn't work, given the additional steps we'd take to preserve the current system. 

To all members: I didn't know about the other swapping sites, and no, I'm not the 'new kid on the block' that thinks I'm gonna come here and tell everybody what's best.  I'm simply proposing an idea.  If the idea proves to destructive to the site, I'd really like to hear how.