Scammer on Goozex???

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G-Nitro replied on 03-19-2010 1:07 AM

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sinnr:

The idea that a 15-year old can't handle trading on this site is ludicrous.  My *9* year old trades on here, and I have yet to see one complaint on any of her trades.  Yes, I helped her get going and monitor things as a responsible parent, but I don't make her decisions for her.

There is a distinct difference between those who act their chronological age and those who are far above/below.  I think any attempt to limit strictly by age is a disservice to the community.

That being said, the OP doesn't sound 15 to me.  Would you trust that child with a car in another year??

But you are doing what I want, monitoring and being directly involved in the trading process. This kid obviously doesn't have that. He is just going against the rules and then gets upset when he gets caught doing as such. If his Dad was more involved, taught his son about honesty and responsibility, and monitored his sons activity, we wouldn't have this issue.

You are doing what is right, his father is not. I'm all for parents having an account and allowing their kids to use it with your supervision. I am not for kids being allowed to use this without any oversight from their parents.

Which again comes down to needing a Credit Card or paypal account to sign up to the site with. It may not stop all those under 18, but it will stop most.

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sinnr replied on 03-19-2010 1:21 AM

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G-Nitro:

sinnr:

The idea that a 15-year old can't handle trading on this site is ludicrous.  My *9* year old trades on here, and I have yet to see one complaint on any of her trades.  Yes, I helped her get going and monitor things as a responsible parent, but I don't make her decisions for her.

There is a distinct difference between those who act their chronological age and those who are far above/below.  I think any attempt to limit strictly by age is a disservice to the community.

That being said, the OP doesn't sound 15 to me.  Would you trust that child with a car in another year??

 

But you are doing what I want, monitoring and being directly involved in the trading process. This kid obviously doesn't have that. He is just going against the rules and then gets upset when he gets caught doing as such. If his Dad was more involved, taught his son about honesty and responsibility, and monitored his sons activity, we wouldn't have this issue.

You are doing what is right, his father is not. I'm all for parents having an account and allowing their kids to use it with your supervision. I am not for kids being allowed to use this without any oversight from their parents.

Which again comes down to needing a Credit Card or paypal account to sign up to the site with. It may not stop all those under 18, but it will stop most.

Agreed.  My issue was only with generalizations stating that anyone under 18 shouldn't be allowed to trade.  I understand why such a rule might exist, but I'd prefer that people be judged on their merits versus their birthdate. 

Again, I recognize there is no solution that fits all situations.  I just hate to see more rules/requirements put in place when 90% of the people here handle their business just fine. 

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Kenny007 replied on 03-19-2010 8:01 AM

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sinnr:

Agreed.  My issue was only with generalizations stating that anyone under 18 shouldn't be allowed to trade.  I understand why such a rule might exist, but I'd prefer that people be judged on their merits versus their birthdate. 

Perhaps.  I agree with this, but this is not something that anyone, or any site can police.  The parent is the only one who can really gauge their child's merit in conducting business transactions (and that's what these trades are) in a timely and professional manner, so any measure that forces a parent to 'sign off' on this, IE the credit card, would be a boon to this site.  My only fear is that it would scare some legit, yet curious potential members, off.

When you see questions by young users on this forum asking why they can't abuse the system like they did here, or even more worrying, a teen that inquired as to why a single postage stamp wasn't enough to send a video game, and others still that need to be taught how to LABEL an envelope, you quickly come to the conclusion that many teens these days NEED parental involvement just to handle USPS, not to mention the somewhat complex-on-startup Goozex site.

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lilwashu replied on 03-19-2010 8:37 AM

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sinnr:

G-Nitro:

sinnr:

The idea that a 15-year old can't handle trading on this site is ludicrous.  My *9* year old trades on here, and I have yet to see one complaint on any of her trades.  Yes, I helped her get going and monitor things as a responsible parent, but I don't make her decisions for her.

There is a distinct difference between those who act their chronological age and those who are far above/below.  I think any attempt to limit strictly by age is a disservice to the community.

That being said, the OP doesn't sound 15 to me.  Would you trust that child with a car in another year??

 

But you are doing what I want, monitoring and being directly involved in the trading process. This kid obviously doesn't have that. He is just going against the rules and then gets upset when he gets caught doing as such. If his Dad was more involved, taught his son about honesty and responsibility, and monitored his sons activity, we wouldn't have this issue.

You are doing what is right, his father is not. I'm all for parents having an account and allowing their kids to use it with your supervision. I am not for kids being allowed to use this without any oversight from their parents.

Which again comes down to needing a Credit Card or paypal account to sign up to the site with. It may not stop all those under 18, but it will stop most.

 

Agreed.  My issue was only with generalizations stating that anyone under 18 shouldn't be allowed to trade.  I understand why such a rule might exist, but I'd prefer that people be judged on their merits versus their birthdate. 

Again, I recognize there is no solution that fits all situations.  I just hate to see more rules/requirements put in place when 90% of the people here handle their business just fine. 

  

They are not saying your nine year old is irresponsible by making that rule.  Children under 18 cannot legally enter into a contract, therefore goozex cannot allow people under 18 to sign up because these are all business transactions and legally, accepting a trade and committing to ship is an expressed contract.  It has nothing to do with peoples maturity level at 18.  Sorry dad, I am glad your child is so responsible though!

That is why a child under 18 must have a parent help them sign up, because if someone were to decide to take legal action with anything, which people can do about just about anything these days, you are legally responsible for the actions of your child.

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I-Weapon-X replied on 03-19-2010 9:51 AM

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i can't believe this thread has gotten this long -.-

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TenTonHammer23 replied on 03-19-2010 10:16 AM

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Anything involving personal information such as your address should not be handled by anyone under 18 on a website like this, ever.  So yes, I think anyone under 18 should not be allowed to handle anything communication wise or business wise to do with this site.

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sinnr replied on 03-19-2010 11:18 AM

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TenTonHammer23:

Anything involving personal information such as your address should not be handled by anyone under 18 on a website like this, ever.  So yes, I think anyone under 18 should not be allowed to handle anything communication wise or business wise to do with this site.

So you now need to be 18 to order a pizza  for delivery? 

(Sorry, couldn't resist).

As an aside, I think the legal age for a credit card is actually 21, unless you can provide proof of income or have a co-signer.  I read that somewhere a while back, which I thought was odd considering the big push to give credit cards to college students when I was in school.   I'll have to see if I'm recalling incorrectly. 

There is also the separate issue of whether Goozex membership consititutes a "legal" contract, since I would doubt that failure to perform would be legally enforceable outside the context of existing law (i.e. mail fraud).  However, that's an entirely different subject, and I'm not trying to debate that at all.   

Back to the original subject, the only point I was trying to make is that someone's age is not the sole measure of their capacity to be a good trader on here.  This thread had deteriorated into a stereotypical view that I thought was unfair, since there are plenty of adults on here who can't follow the FAQ either.

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lilwashu replied on 03-19-2010 11:35 AM

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sinnr:

As an aside, I think the legal age for a credit card is actually 21, unless you can provide proof of income or have a co-signer.  I read that somewhere a while back, which I thought was odd considering the big push to give credit cards to college students when I was in school.   I'll have to see if I'm recalling incorrectly. 

No, it is 18.  I have had mine since then with no cosigner, or proof of income even though I did have a job.  Also when you click I acknowledge to the terms of service that is a contract, yes if you did try to sue someone your case would probably get thrown out, but if someone just says to you yes, I will give you that game, that is an expressed contract, lack of enforceability or relevance does not negate the fact that something is a legal contract whether verbal or written.  Not that that is a big deal, I just wanted you to know it isn't something goozex just randomly chose out of the air, there are legal reasons for that being the way it is.  That is why you also can't sign up for an ebay seller account or amazon account if you are under 18.

I am with you on people treating kids like they can't do anything until they reach that magical number.  I am 24 so not that old and I look like I am 12 so I still get treated like that sometimes!  I have been handling my moms tech support calls for anything computer related since I was 10 and it got so frustrating hearing the guy on the other end say, "can you get your mommy for me and we will get this fixed" at 15 years old when my mom was asking me how to bookmark something lol.  Good job with your daughter, keep praising her for being so responsible for her age!  That is the best thing you can do when everyone else is saying no you can't, your too young and immature.

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acsguitar replied on 03-19-2010 11:38 AM

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In response to the "Ban the users/Quiz's to sign up" I think it all comes down to business. If quizzing someone or banning someone reduces users(income) more then people who quit because they are annoyed trading with 15 year olds then they aren't going to do it.

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Gamer Girl replied on 03-19-2010 11:41 AM

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1) You should have waited for him to reply before you sent the game.  This issue probably wouldn't be happening.
2) 15 year-olds shouldn't be on 18+ websites, but that's besides the point.
3) Just because other people are willing to accept rental cases doesn't mean all are.  If I'm getting the Full Package, I expect the ORIGINAL case, manual, and disc.  If something happened to the original case, then they should let me know and it shouldn't be listed as Full Package.
4) Goozex does state that the package should be the ORIGINAL for Full Package.  That means the case, disc, and manual must all be original.
"I commit to ship the entire original package, including the case, all manuals/inserts and accessories"
5) Although this is not for Negative, you do deserve less than positive for listing incorrectly.

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MelancholyVagrant replied on 03-19-2010 12:05 PM

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Sinnr's right. Obama just signed the Act in February 2010. To try to stop the big push to give credit cards to college students.

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lilwashu replied on 03-19-2010 12:18 PM

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Thanks for  the correction, that is really recent.  It doesn't really effect me but it is always good to have the facts straight for situations like this when someone asks.  That sucks though because that was a great way for younger kids to build credit!  It can be hard for an 18 year old to get something like a loan on a car and keep up with it, and you usually cant get an apartment or anything with no credit history...I think that will hurt more than it will help.  Although I have always been of the impression that if you don't know a credit card is borrowed money and you have to pay interest then you have it coming when you get a finance charge and are surprised, even if you are only 18...So I guess that is why I don't make laws, I am a little too unsympathetic  :(

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I-Weapon-X replied on 03-19-2010 12:40 PM

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lilwashu:

Although I have always been of the impression that if you don't know a credit card is borrowed money and you have to pay interest then you have it coming when you get a finance charge and are surprised, even if you are only 18...So I guess that is why I don't make laws, I am a little too unsympathetic  :(

I agree with you entirely; had my CC since i was 18 and was aware of everything that went along with it

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lilwashu replied on 03-19-2010 12:42 PM

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Lol, this thread got so off topic, that is ok though, this turned into quite the healthy discussion and I got to dust off the old brain a little bit :)

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GoSensGo2010 replied on 03-19-2010 12:42 PM

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Austin11:

On the full package is does NOT say "must include RETAIL case". Maybe goozex should put that on there.

OK, well in your world what does "FULL" package mean then?

And you state earlier that it doesn't say it has to be the original "retail" box.  So if I was to cut out a box out of cardboard and write the name of the game on it in magic marker and send it to you like that, would you be happy about it? 

The Block Buster by my house sells games for 1.99 when they don't have the ORIGINAL case.  Man, I could do so well here following your rules!