isn't "disc + box" more common than "disc + manual"?

NShepherd N7:

This discussion is rather long and confusing, and is on more than a few forums. I have and idea....

Dear Goozex: Just add the Disc + Case option.

There! End of discussion! I mean, why not? Would it harm anyone if they added this? There seems to be no reason against it.

If it was that simple, don't you think it would already be there?

Kenny007:

Hopefully that group of people [those with just the disc] is rather small, because the addition of this would ensure that their discs would never move.  Who would bother with DO if there was a D+C available?

It probably is pretty small, but there will still be people who request disc only and they will still move - just a little slower.  But just think of how many current disc only listings will be changed to disc + case once this is implemented?  There will be lots of movement - adding the disc + case option is a no-brainer.

Maskim:

No, the point of the thread, as deduced from the title, is just questioning whether or not having a case is more common than having a manual, in a situation where they are mutually exclusive.

I simply stated that yes, it is, and backed it up with common sense basics that the rarer something is, the more value it has.    In no way am I debating the merit of having a disc + case option.  I'm just stating my perception that disc + case is indeed more common.

The point the OP is trying to make is that there should be a disc + case option added.  He's not saying, put the disc + case option above disc + manual and he's not saying to replace disc + manual with disc + case.  His point is that since disc + case is more common, it only makes sense to have it as an available option.

You are not making much sense to me.

And as I said, and will say again; the rarer something is does not always mean it has more value.  This being one of the exceptions, imo.

Maskim:

My personal sentiments, that I would prefer to have the manual as it's easier to replace a case because they are more common, are not reflected at all, until now.

Replacing the original case and original cover art, is harder to replace, imo, than the manual.  But that doesn't really matter, since they would be mutually exclusive.  I still don't really get what your point was in stating your opinion that disc + manual is more valuable than disc + case though?

BuryMe:

NShepherd N7:

This discussion is rather long and confusing, and is on more than a few forums. I have and idea....

Dear Goozex: Just add the Disc + Case option.

There! End of discussion! I mean, why not? Would it harm anyone if they added this? There seems to be no reason against it.

If it was that simple, don't you think it would already be there?

I know! But why isn't it that simple? I have so many games to sell that are missing the manual but come in the original case and book art. I hate listing them as Disc Only. They rarely sell as well anyways. Personally, I always request full package because I'm picky like that.

NShepherd N7:

But why isn't it that simple?

Because the G Team would need to decide where it goes withing the matrix. If it goes above D+M, a lot of people are going to be annoyed. Same if it goes below D+M.

Or, they could make it equal with S+M, but keep the 2 mutually exclusive, that will be a lot harder to program.

ANd if they don't feel that the option is popular enough, it isn't worth their time

NShepherd N7:

BuryMe:

NShepherd N7:

This discussion is rather long and confusing, and is on more than a few forums. I have and idea....

Dear Goozex: Just add the Disc + Case option.

There! End of discussion! I mean, why not? Would it harm anyone if they added this? There seems to be no reason against it.

If it was that simple, don't you think it would already be there?

I know! But why isn't it that simple? I have so many games to sell that are missing the manual but come in the original case and book art. I hate listing them as Disc Only. They rarely sell as well anyways. Personally, I always request full package because I'm picky like that.

The only thing stopping them from implementing it (and this comes from a member of the G-Team) is the following:

"They get a sense that three levels are complicated enough for some users to understand and that a fourth may make things even worse (four rows in the trading stats, four options, more levels in the neutral feedback, etc.).  Since they are making an effort in simplifying the use of Goozex, they believe a fourth option would make things more complicated for some users.  It is seen how, for some people, that a fourth option may help, but they have not yet found a solid solution that would allow them to deploy it, and make the site simpler to use at the same time.

My argument was that adding the Disc + Case option would actually make things LESS complicated, since there would be no confusion or issues with people listing Disc + Case games as Full Package (because they “didn’t see an option for Disc + Case”), or those people asking on the forums how to list their game if "they have the disc and case, but just the manual is missing", or people asking “why isn’t there a Disc + Case option - What should I do”, etc.

I believe that adding the Disc + Case option would actually simplify things.  Why should the rest of us suffer (for lack of a better word) because a few people might find it complicated?  The vast majority don't/won't, so why not implement it?

At least 472+ people who voted on the main Disc + Case thread stated: "Yes, I would really like the Disc + Case option added and I don’t think it is too complicated (and also think it would / could possibly even make Goozex more simplified / less complicated)." when asked: "Do You Want a Fourth Shipping Option: Disc + Case?".  And another 49+ voters stated: "Yes, but only if (or “No, unless”) an acceptable solution is found for the possible complexity concern(s)."

...resulting in an incredible 83% of people being in favour of the Disc + Case option.

I just hope they are paying attention to this and listen to what the community clearly wants!  Even if they rolled it in for a beta phase to see how things went, I'd be happy, because I'm confident that it would be a huge success!

BuryMe:

NShepherd N7:

But why isn't it that simple?

Because the G Team would need to decide where it goes withing the matrix. If it goes above D+M, a lot of people are going to be annoyed. Same if it goes below D+M.

That is not an issue - They've already stated that the two would be mutually exclusive, if/when implemented.

BuryMe:

Or, they could make it equal with S+M, but keep the 2 mutually exclusive, that will be a lot harder to program.

While I'm not a programmer, I won't doubt that it will be more difficult to program - but by absolutely no means, is it even close to impossible.  I think what he meant by "why isn't it that simple" is the fact that the demand is so high for the Disc + Case option, so isn't it a simple decision to implement it?  I don't think he was referring to the actual programming.

BuryMe:

ANd if they don't feel that the option is popular enough, it isn't worth their time

If they don't feel the Disc + Case option is popular enough by now, based on the countless threads, posts and votes asking for it; I'm not sure what it will take!

dtp11:

I'm not sure what it will take!

I propose somebody, preferably somebody close to MD, kick them in the nuts.

I would back the measure IF it also meant that improperly listing a title became a negative.  With four options to choose from covering just about every condition imaginable, there would be absolutely no excuse for misleading buyers.

With that dtp, both of our crusades could come to a positive conclusion.

Kenny007:

I would back the measure IF it also meant that improperly listing a title became a negative.  With four options to choose from covering just about every condition imaginable, there would be absolutely no excuse for misleading buyers.

With that dtp, both of our crusades could come to a positive conclusion.

Under that condition, I too would wholly back a disc + case option.

As I mentioned, dtp, I'm not arguing with your or anyone else regarding the merit of a disc + case option.  As I said, I'm simply stating, in response to the direct question posed of "Isn't DISC + BOX more common than DISC + MANUAL?", that yes, it is.  It seriously doesn't matter that it isn't always the case that something being rarer makes it worth more.  Very few things are ever, 100% always the case.  The fact that there is an exception does not disprove, or even begin to discredit my statement.  In general, which is apt since we are speaking in generalities, (you can tell we are speaking in generalities because a particular was not specified) the less common something is, the more value it has.  

In relation to goozex, my observation is that disc +case (which is filed under disc only) is more common than disc + manual, which is a higher standard for receiving a game.  Hence, the less common option is indeed worth more in this case. 

I'm not arguing, and I personally don't see the point in your trying to turn my statement into another soap box for your disc + case crusade.  I'm not mad at you for it, so don't think I'm jumping your shit right now or anything.  I'm not.  I just don't care about the mythical 4th shipping option anymore. 

Unless, as mentioned earlier, it leads to the elimination of neutrals for package quality.  That would reignite my desire to see something done with the shipping options.  Once again, an example where there is an exception to the rule, but it doesn't change that rule, in general.

 

I don't think adding a new level of requests will make anything move faster. Sure some folks are probably interested in a disc(k) with box option, but, as evidenced by looking at the trade requests, Full Package is the only thing that will really move.

However, I am in full support of adding whatever you wish if it meant shipping the incorrect package resulted in a negative.

 

Also - whomever mentioned that manuals are useless probably doesn't remember looking on 'page 42, second paragraph, 3rd word in the 4th sentence' for a passcode :) Or the wheels, ugh.

sterlingdax:

Also - whomever mentioned that manuals are useless probably doesn't remember looking on 'page 42, second paragraph, 3rd word in the 4th sentence' for a passcode :) Or the wheels, ugh.

Those were the best.

Personally, I'd love to have a disc+case option. I'd probably use it almost exclusively for requests.

I don't much care if I have an instruction booklet - most games don't need them - but I do very much like having a proper case to go on the shelf. I guess I'm a 'library' collector.

Most times, I'd rather just have a disc than a disc + manual. What do you do with a loose manual? Store it in a drawer?

Personally, I'd love to have a disc+case option. I'd probably use it almost exclusively for requests. A disc with the original case and art is outwardly complete.

I don't much care if I have an instruction booklet - most games don't need them - but I do very much like having a proper case to go on the shelf. I guess you might think of someone like me as a library collector.

Generally, I'd rather just have a disc than a disc + manual. What do you do with a loose manual? Store it in a drawer with all the rest?

More to the point, there obviously exists both a supply and demand to this dynamic. Meeting them means more accurate listings and more trading going on, and we all want that.

If we add this, can we simultaneously allow negative feedback for people mislisting stuff as full package?   With all the options, there shouldn't be a reason you can't find an appropriate listing for your title.