POLL: Release Day Queue Positions

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HighWindXIX replied on 02-03-2010 8:01 PM

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kwaz28:

I-Weapon-X:

ugh... leave for a few days and am met with this; if the lottery is implemented, it is only a matter of time before we see the flood of complaints from people getting crap spots in line

Forget it all, let's go to Tahoe!

Yes! Let's do it!!

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ZitterZap replied on 02-03-2010 8:49 PM

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Zenverse:

If a lottery absolutely had to be implemented, I still think that 12 hours is too much. I would really much rather have it that you can enter into the lottery within 3-5 hours before the game is supposed to officially go live. Say the live time stays the same at 12AM Central. Up to 3-5 hours before this time (I'd be leaning to 3), people can get into the lottery. This would solve the time issue for East Coasters because they don't have to stay up until 1AM to get in on the game and they still have to be there that night to actually request the game. East Coasters can get into the lottery at the earliest convenient time and West Coasters are happy. There will still probably be lag, but probably not as much.

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taintedzodiac replied on 02-03-2010 9:14 PM

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ZitterZap:

Zenverse:

If a lottery absolutely had to be implemented, I still think that 12 hours is too much. I would really much rather have it that you can enter into the lottery within 3-5 hours before the game is supposed to officially go live. Say the live time stays the same at 12AM Central. Up to 3-5 hours before this time (I'd be leaning to 3), people can get into the lottery. This would solve the time issue for East Coasters because they don't have to stay up until 1AM to get in on the game and they still have to be there that night to actually request the game. East Coasters can get into the lottery at the earliest convenient time and West Coasters are happy. There will still probably be lag, but probably not as much.

I like this.

So it looks like a good compromise would be:

New release become available to request at 9pm ET. All requests enter the lottery at 1AM ET. Requests after that go in as normal behind the lottery spots.

Good? Bad? Comments? Concerns?

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Zenverse replied on 02-03-2010 9:27 PM

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taintedzodiac:

ZitterZap:

Zenverse:

If a lottery absolutely had to be implemented, I still think that 12 hours is too much. I would really much rather have it that you can enter into the lottery within 3-5 hours before the game is supposed to officially go live. Say the live time stays the same at 12AM Central. Up to 3-5 hours before this time (I'd be leaning to 3), people can get into the lottery. This would solve the time issue for East Coasters because they don't have to stay up until 1AM to get in on the game and they still have to be there that night to actually request the game. East Coasters can get into the lottery at the earliest convenient time and West Coasters are happy. There will still probably be lag, but probably not as much.

I like this.

So it looks like a good compromise would be:

New release become available to request at 9pm ET. All requests enter the lottery at 1AM ET. Requests after that go in as normal behind the lottery spots.

Good? Bad? Comments? Concerns?

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killmak replied on 02-03-2010 9:27 PM

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taintedzodiac:

ZitterZap:

Zenverse:

If a lottery absolutely had to be implemented, I still think that 12 hours is too much. I would really much rather have it that you can enter into the lottery within 3-5 hours before the game is supposed to officially go live. Say the live time stays the same at 12AM Central. Up to 3-5 hours before this time (I'd be leaning to 3), people can get into the lottery. This would solve the time issue for East Coasters because they don't have to stay up until 1AM to get in on the game and they still have to be there that night to actually request the game. East Coasters can get into the lottery at the earliest convenient time and West Coasters are happy. There will still probably be lag, but probably not as much.

I like this.

So it looks like a good compromise would be:

New release become available to request at 9pm ET. All requests enter the lottery at 1AM ET. Requests after that go in as normal behind the lottery spots.

Good? Bad? Comments? Concerns?

Perfect.  It is a balance between a first come first serve system and a lottery.  There wont be 1000's of requests and it will be people that actually want the game getting in to the lottery.  If Goozex could fix the server problems I wouldnt mind stayin with the current system but with the servers being so crappy on release night it would be crazy to keep it as it is.  I wonder how many of the people complaning about the proposed change are running scripts to get better spots in line.

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HighWindXIX replied on 02-03-2010 11:09 PM

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killmak:

taintedzodiac:

ZitterZap:

Zenverse:

If a lottery absolutely had to be implemented, I still think that 12 hours is too much. I would really much rather have it that you can enter into the lottery within 3-5 hours before the game is supposed to officially go live. Say the live time stays the same at 12AM Central. Up to 3-5 hours before this time (I'd be leaning to 3), people can get into the lottery. This would solve the time issue for East Coasters because they don't have to stay up until 1AM to get in on the game and they still have to be there that night to actually request the game. East Coasters can get into the lottery at the earliest convenient time and West Coasters are happy. There will still probably be lag, but probably not as much.

I like this.

So it looks like a good compromise would be:

New release become available to request at 9pm ET. All requests enter the lottery at 1AM ET. Requests after that go in as normal behind the lottery spots.

Good? Bad? Comments? Concerns?

 

Perfect.  It is a balance between a first come first serve system and a lottery.  There wont be 1000's of requests and it will be people that actually want the game getting in to the lottery.  If Goozex could fix the server problems I wouldnt mind stayin with the current system but with the servers being so crappy on release night it would be crazy to keep it as it is.  I wonder how many of the people complaning about the proposed change are running scripts to get better spots in line.

I agree that it is a good compromise. I would still say make the time to sign up for the lottery smaller but at the very least it should help limit the potential problem of tons of people signing up and people getting stuck waaaaay in the back for no other reason than bad luck. I still say it would be best to fix the servers but maybe its more complex than that (though, the addition of a "one click" add button similar to Amazon.com could cut time down). And I can't speak for anyone else, but I can speak for me, as a person complaining about change that I am not running scripts to get a better spot in line. I slog through the 10-20 minute lag between clicking and having the little box pop up as everyone else does but I still get a good enough spot in line and cringe at the thought of getting screwed into being 400th in line because of bad luck in a lottery . . .

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devyanks90 replied on 02-03-2010 11:23 PM

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Hexpane:

I-Weapon-X:

ugh... leave for a few days and am met with this; if the lottery is implemented, it is only a matter of time before we see the flood of complaints from people getting crap spots in line

 

Um we already have those.

 

What we have here is the vocal minority, (those getting good spots) saying they don't want to rely on "luck" meanwhile it's not luck, it's chance, and it's already a broken system.

 

The very few users who DO get good spots in line dont realize the vast majority of users do not, and never can because of release times and server crashes.  They dont realize it's ALREADY driving users crazy and making people consider leaving the service.

First come first serve is the same model used in early MMO design, that did nothing but cause griefing, and later the development of instances.

 

I'm for the lottery. I also got Mass Effect 2 in today (which is a whole other story, but i digress) I was 17th in line, and it took me 20 minutes to get in line and another 30 minutes to find out i got 17th. That is ridiculous. Server load is a problem but it is not economically sound to fix something that works 98% of the time. I would gladly take being 100th in line over wasting my time in front of a loading page. If I "need" a game, I'll buy it. (full disclosure, i work at a blue and yellow store that sells video games)

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bi-gE replied on 02-04-2010 12:09 AM

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Just too add my two cents to the conversation. I think that, Goozex should use members feed back score to rank them in the queue prior to a games release. This way members who have given the most to the community are rewarded for their efforts by getting first crack at new games. And, once a game is release the queuing mechanism would revert to the current first come first served system.  

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larpi replied on 02-04-2010 7:21 AM

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erock:

A switch to a vanilla lottery has the possibility of both sucking and blowing at the same time.  My fear is that it sucks in massive numbers of new users and swells the lottery contestants.  I would say in the first few minutes of a release there may be 100 requests now?  I think when I've passed on the attempt and looked in the morning when I woke up high numbers are around 500 requests.  A lottery with those numbers would be ok.  It would certainly be fair.  If current numbers of the first week of release requests are currently 1000 (purely a guess), that lottery would start to be a lot less fun...for me at least.  Then comes the suck...the lottery and gooxez get popular.  What if the number of lottery entrants swells to 5000, maybe more.  Then comes the blow.  We all realize a 1 in 5000 chance of a decent spot is not awesome.  I would argue that a lot of that population would move away from goozex.

 

THE SKY IS FALLING
THE SKY IS FALLING
THE SKY IS FALLING
And its all because of the new lottery system

I highly doubt the scenario you mentioned above is going to happen. Its going to be the exact same people who request the new releases each week at midnight but now they just add their name to a list unless goozex sends out a huge newsletter to everybody explaining the new system - then it might inflate the numbers a little bit but even then I dont think it will make a huge difference.

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taintedzodiac replied on 02-04-2010 7:32 AM

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As far as the "OMG 5000 people requesting" doomsday scenario, remember that people actually trade OUT their games on Goozex as well. More users = shorter wait to get more trades happening.

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larpi replied on 02-04-2010 7:35 AM

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taintedzodiac:

So it looks like a good compromise would be:

New release become available to request at 9pm ET. All requests enter the lottery at 1AM ET. Requests after that go in as normal behind the lottery spots.

Good? Bad? Comments? Concerns?

I think that it still might lag the servers at 1am until the people who dont visit the forum get used to the new system but its fair and it doesnt involve any frustration - just pure luck - which is basically what the old system had but with alot of added frustration. Im also assuming that all dvds would release at 1am if this was implemented. 

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erock replied on 02-04-2010 9:29 AM

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larpi:

erock:

A switch to a vanilla lottery has the possibility of both sucking and blowing at the same time.  My fear is that it sucks in massive numbers of new users and swells the lottery contestants.  I would say in the first few minutes of a release there may be 100 requests now?  I think when I've passed on the attempt and looked in the morning when I woke up high numbers are around 500 requests.  A lottery with those numbers would be ok.  It would certainly be fair.  If current numbers of the first week of release requests are currently 1000 (purely a guess), that lottery would start to be a lot less fun...for me at least.  Then comes the suck...the lottery and gooxez get popular.  What if the number of lottery entrants swells to 5000, maybe more.  Then comes the blow.  We all realize a 1 in 5000 chance of a decent spot is not awesome.  I would argue that a lot of that population would move away from goozex.

 

THE SKY IS FALLING
THE SKY IS FALLING
THE SKY IS FALLING
And its all because of the new lottery system

I highly doubt the scenario you mentioned above is going to happen. Its going to be the exact same people who request the new releases each week at midnight but now they just add their name to a list unless goozex sends out a huge newsletter to everybody explaining the new system - then it might inflate the numbers a little bit but even then I dont think it will make a huge difference.

I mentioned the doomsday scenario simply to make the point we don't know what will happen.  I don't even subscribe to my own doomsday theory.  It's just a discussion point.

I do like the idea of making the lottery window as short as possible (begining 9-10PM eastern).  I still cringe at the idea of opening the lottery when a game is announced and added to the muse database.

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Kenny007 replied on 02-04-2010 9:44 AM

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I originally suggested 12 hours to appease the most people possible, but I'm glad to see the short window being supported more.  I would prefer that moreso than my own 12hr suggestion.  That way, there's effort involved so not every Tom, Dick, and Harry are involved, but the end result is a fair spread across the board.

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misoleet replied on 02-04-2010 1:24 PM

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Lottery. 3 hour window leading up to the actual release time. Free for all after that. Love it.

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HighWindXIX replied on 02-04-2010 2:58 PM

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larpi:

taintedzodiac:

So it looks like a good compromise would be:

New release become available to request at 9pm ET. All requests enter the lottery at 1AM ET. Requests after that go in as normal behind the lottery spots.

Good? Bad? Comments? Concerns?

 

I think that it still might lag the servers at 1am until the people who dont visit the forum get used to the new system but its fair and it doesnt involve any frustration - just pure luck - which is basically what the old system had but with alot of added frustration. Im also assuming that all dvds would release at 1am if this was implemented. 

Ya know, I completely forgot about movies! I think it might be smart for Goozex to have a separate lottery "window" for dvds/blu-rays so that the server load is spread out more. I could be wrong but I think games get requested more than movies (for now at  least) but I'm sure it doesn't exactly help that currently all new games and new movies go live at once!

On a separate note, I'm glad to see that the limited time window for the lottery seems to have support. It seems to me to be the most logical way to implement this potential lottery . . .