The problem with trading movies on Goozex.

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john76 replied on 12-08-2009 11:03 AM

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the trade counter increased by a thousand trades in the first 24 hours of the beta. i think its doing ok   and i just had a user request a blu ray, that took about a month to wait in line.

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TenTonHammer23 replied on 12-08-2009 11:04 AM

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Yeah, if goozex had put dvd trading up like, 3 years ago, and I found the site, I'd be one broke bastard but enjoying it.  Now with netflix and redbox,  actually owning a movie, unless its something truly requiring a blu ray copy (like Up)  then I don't buy it.

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Phrozenspite replied on 12-08-2009 11:21 AM

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movie trading is fine... I've gotten mostly movies since it went live for my requests

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stoudman replied on 12-08-2009 11:56 AM

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I have to agree with everyone else -- the OP's idea makes no sense.

However, this is exactly the reason that I have stated in the past that Goozex is a collector's dream when it comes to DVDs. There are plenty of DVDs out there that will most likely never be put on blu-ray and are rare to have in any form. For example, I've picked up DVDs like "The Langoliers" and "Saw" from Goozex. Why? The Langoliers is a made for TV movie that is very unpopular and will therefor most likely never see a release on blu-ray, let alone in any other format EVER. Saw is a movie that was poorly ported to blu-ray and literally looks better on DVD. I'm a FREAK for Blu-ray and HD, but even I find good reasons to pick up titles I like on DVD.

There are more DVDs out there than there are Blu-rays, so it makes sense that the DVDs are going to be harder to sell than the Blu-rays because the market is flooded with them. Still, I managed to sell my original copy of the first Harry Potter movie here on Goozex, which I would expect is a title a lot of people want to get rid of so they can get it on Blu-ray. If people are still, even just slowly requesting these movies, than there is still some demand somewhere, it's just not exactly what you probably want it to be.

Conversely, Blu-rays are relatively new so there aren't as many of them out there, so they don't flood the market. This means that when a new copy of a new movie becomes available on BR here on Goozex, it's usually gone in a matter of hours, if not minutes.

Honestly, this isn't a problem with Goozex, it's just a problem with the current supply/demand of digital home media. It probably won't change anytime soon, but eventually Goozex may just stop trading DVDs altogether, because it'll get to the point where you can find them brand new for a buck at the dollar store. Nobody would be willing to buy them at the 100 point price range, probably not even at the 50 point price range -- and forget about anyone sending them out for 50 points when shipping costs about that much alone. There'll come a day when there will be no profit in DVD trading for Goozex and they'll drop it altogether. Probably the same fate for HD DVD, although I think it'll have more life than DVD just because there are still some great transfers out there on HD DVD that beat the crap out of some of the poor BR transfers.

I dunno, there may be a place for trading box set DVDs on Gooz -- there's a lot of stuff out there on DVD in box sets that is OOP and will most likely never make it's way to BR. For instance, I'd be surprised if they ever decided to bring Invader Zim to BR -- and that's a DVD box set that, with just the 3 main discs costs upwards of $60 now that it's OOP -- and with everything included costs around $300. Particularly with TV shows of the 70's, 80's, and 90's that used the common practice of NEVER keeping the master film and constantly re-using the same print over and over, cutting snippets here and there for Commercials, they will never look as good as they did when they originally aired because there quite literally are no cleaner copies in existence anymore, so there'd be no point to putting them on a high definition format. The point is, there's still plenty of use for the DVD section for collector's who want to get at least some copy of their favorite shows somehow, because DVD may be the only format some of those TV shows or rare movies ever appear on. This is why I have been amazed in the past when anyone would suggest that Goozex is not a site for collectors.

...Not a site for collectors? This site was practically BUILT to SERVICE collectors...I mean it works for pretty much anyone, but it's a GODSEND to collectors.

Anyways, just throwing in my two bits. I don't think there are any problems with Goozex whatsoever, the only real problem you're seeing here is the same problem that exists everywhere else in the real world -- too much supply for DVDs and not enough demand, too little supply of Blu-rays and too much demand. The only difference is, you won't find anybody willing to give you $5, or even the $2-3 after shipping that you make here on Goozex for any of your DVDs anywhere else in the real world. Try taking them to Gamestop or FYE or any place else that buys used DVDs...you'll be lucky to get  buck for something that's brand new. DVD is out, BR is in, that's just the way it is and THAT is what creates the problem you speak of, NOT Goozex.

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CgyRunner replied on 12-08-2009 11:57 AM

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I don't see too many problems with DVD trading. I currently have about 10 outgoing and 19 incoming DVD's, I love the DVD trading. I only wish they would clean up multiple versions of DVDs that are essentially the same.

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taintedzodiac replied on 12-08-2009 12:16 PM

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stoudman:

...Not a site for collectors? This site was practically BUILT to SERVICE collectors...I mean it works for pretty much anyone, but it's a GODSEND to collectors.

Goozex is not a site for complaining if you do not receive pristine copies of games with everything in wonderful condition. I believe that's the connotation of "collecting" that most of us state the site is not for.

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batmania15 replied on 12-08-2009 12:18 PM

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taintedzodiac:

stoudman:

...Not a site for collectors? This site was practically BUILT to SERVICE collectors...I mean it works for pretty much anyone, but it's a GODSEND to collectors.

Goozex is not a site for complaining if you do not receive pristine copies of games with everything in wonderful condition. I believe that's the connotation of "collecting" that most of us state the site is not for.

Yes i would say it's not for "collectors" because collectors usually like there items it top notch shape.  This is a used service so don't expect to receive anything "top notch" that's why we say not for "collectors"

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Greggo replied on 12-08-2009 12:23 PM

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I've managed to snag 33 DVDs since movie trading started, including most of the box sets of Family Guy and House and some anime stuff I didn't think I'd get. That's a lot of money that I didn't have to spend thanks to Goozex.  Plus I've managed to unload about a dozen of my own discs, mostly to G-Nitro.  I have a full shelf and plenty of watching material; I'd call that a win.

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stoudman replied on 12-08-2009 2:39 PM

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batmania15:

taintedzodiac:

stoudman:

...Not a site for collectors? This site was practically BUILT to SERVICE collectors...I mean it works for pretty much anyone, but it's a GODSEND to collectors.

Goozex is not a site for complaining if you do not receive pristine copies of games with everything in wonderful condition. I believe that's the connotation of "collecting" that most of us state the site is not for.

Yes i would say it's not for "collectors" because collectors usually like there items it top notch shape.  This is a used service so don't expect to receive anything "top notch" that's why we say not for "collectors"

I wouldn't call those people collector's in the sense that I am referring to. I think I'd call those people Anal Retentive A-holes.

I've gotten plenty of DVDs/Blu-rays with small issues and given 10+ feedback, because unless it renders the thing unplayable or looks completely disgusting, I have no problem putting it in my collection. For example the copy of "Once Upon a Time in the West" I got with the plastic cover of the case half ripped off, +10 -- why? the Discs were in fantastic condition.

I don't get the people who have to have everything perfect, and I would not call them "Collectors". That's just me, though.

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elnino14 replied on 12-08-2009 2:40 PM

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I agree with those who said that movie trading is quite useless these days in the days of Netflix and streaming. This is the problem, and not Goozex itself.

My biggest issue is that I think TV seasons can move much better on Goozex, as people are more likely want to own a tv series instead of renting a disc at a time especially if its not available on streaming. Anyways, many of these tv shows have multiple seasons available as one trade, yet they're all capped at 1200 points. Literally people are sitting waiting for a complete series (BattleStar Galactica, The sopranos, Smallville Seasons 1-8) for 1200 points. That doesn't make much sense.

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G-Nitro replied on 12-08-2009 3:39 PM

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I get in around 70+ dvds a month. DVD trading is fine. :P

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Decrypded replied on 12-08-2009 3:43 PM

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Poor piemonster, he's off crying now because of you guys - thats why he hasn't replied.

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itzspooky replied on 12-08-2009 6:42 PM

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The only problem i have is that there are not enough people offering tv series on dvd.

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PieMonster replied on 12-08-2009 7:30 PM

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Ok, I'm finished wiping my tears.

Seriously, I didn't know my comments would generate such opposition. I was hoping it would lead to more ideas and tweeks in the system. Let me better explain where I got my ideas.

I believe most of you users who have large incoming/outgoing movies are using Goozex like a "rental" service meaning you're not hanging on to your movies. However, unlike games, I believe more people would rather hold on to their movies than trade them. Now, we've already established that Goozex is not a good place for collectors (although, you can get lots of stuff in "collectible" condition). Goozex, is best used as a "rental" service. That's how you can get the best value for the products you trade.

I am all but willing to start using Goozex as a "rental" outlet but the huge discrepancy between DVD's and BR's really doesn't encourage me to do so. If you're looking to unload BR's and collect DVD's, Goozex is a godsend. If you're looking to get rid of your DVD's and upgrade to BR's (or even get games) with those point's, forget it.

Goozex used as a "rental" service means that you have to lessen the gap between both formats. Currently, the price of 1 BR is equal to 4 or 5 DVD's.

Lets say you just want to stay with one format. If you just want DVD's you'll have no trouble getting them by the truckload, but good luck getting rid of them when you're bored of them. If you just want BR's, it's cheaper to buy them on Amazon for about $19.99 (new releases too), watch them, then list them on Goozex for full retail prices $30 to $40 each! You'll make out like a bandit (good luck getting any though)!

I guess what I'm saying is there needs to be a cap on BR prices to keep them from getting out of hand. Games have a $50 cap which is fine because new releases are always $60. BR's should have a cap about half that, or less - $20, perhaps?

Increasing the price of DVD's would allow users to get more value out of their movies and upgrade to BR which is eventually what Goozex should be encouraging (and one day drop DVD trading). With an across the board increase on DVD's, and price drop on BR's nothing would seem too high or too cheap. Using Goozex as a "rental" service would work great. I think the game trading side of Goozex works great. The movie trading side needs help.

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PieMonster replied on 12-08-2009 7:35 PM

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itzspooky:

The only problem i have is that there are not enough people offering tv series on dvd.

I have many TV shows on DVD that I'll like to get rid of and make you happy but the point values are so low that it's not worth listing. It'll cost more to ship that what I'll be making in return. This is another problem I have with the movie trading side of Goozex.