ODST: CE "Full Package" received with no controller

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kandal replied on 11-08-2009 8:55 AM

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Hit that dip s**t with a Negative already! People like him should suck my THUMB!

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G-Nitro replied on 11-08-2009 9:00 AM

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cheeznrice:

G-Nitro:

I know I could get an extra 100 points by listing at as D+M for the CE.... but man, my I don't feel right about doing so. I think Goozex should require the controller for all options, as it is essentially allowing traders to do what caused the GH and RB scam to get more points, but legitimately. The only difference between the two editions is the controller, and so it should be required on any condition regardless of whether or not it affects playability.

 I understand what you're saying, but and I actually checked to see what I should do about my listing.  I actually asked for a clarification to be put on the trading info tab as I shared your thoughts, but I fully understand Goozex's reasoning behind their decision...lacking the controller doesn't change how the game is played (playablility).  There is only so much Goozex can do to protect users from themselves.  Like anything in life, buyer beware.

I know this came from Goozex, but the decision is wrong. if this was a case such as Wii Sports Resort where there is only one listing, then yes only Full Package should require the accessories. But there are 2 seperate listings, and this essentially goes against other rulings with games and multiple listings. They need to remain consistent and once again they do not. The controller NEEDS to be required for the CE edition on all conditions, otherwise you're asking for trouble.

Another issue with this are all those people who requested this BEFORE they changed the listing information. When they get in this game without the controller, but had their listings as D/O or D+M, they are going to be pissed, because they requested before the change. I'm 100% there were no messages sent to warn these buyers, and many don't go back to a listing page after they request it. I just don't seem to understand the reasoning behind these decisions sometimes. A little research and taking the time to make sure you make the correct decision is all that needs to be done. Too many times these decisions are made on the fly or the same day.

*EDIT* I sent mine as Regular because I don't feel right screwing someone out of 100 points because of a bad decision by Goozex.

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cheeznrice replied on 11-08-2009 10:57 AM

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G-Nitro:

*EDIT* I sent mine as Regular because I don't feel right screwing someone out of 100 points because of a bad decision by Goozex.

Which exposes the seller to the wrong product shipped as the UPC won't match.

G-Nitro:

I know this came from Goozex, but the decision is wrong. if this was a case such as Wii Sports Resort where there is only one listing, then yes only Full Package should require the accessories. But there are 2 seperate listings, and this essentially goes against other rulings with games and multiple listings. They need to remain consistent and once again they do not. The controller NEEDS to be required for the CE edition on all conditions, otherwise you're asking for trouble.

How does this go against other rulings when it's clearly stated in the FAQ?  I fail to see how this goes against anything.  They are remaining consistent with the FAQ in this situation so you can argue that until you're blue in the face, but you'd be wrong.

The controller (guitar) for Guitar Hero/Rock Band changes the playabiltiy of the game if you don't have the guitar.  Technically they can be played with a controller, but playability is different as per the FAQ.

G-Nitro:

A little research and taking the time to make sure you make the correct decision is all that needs to be done. Too many times these decisions are made on the fly or the same day.

More than a little research was done on the playability issues.  Just because they don't personally send you a notice detailing their decision doesn't mean you should dismiss something so quickly.

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The note on the Trading Info page for ODST remains consistent with the FAQ.  It was only added to help alleviate any possible confusion.  Again, the buyers need to do a little research before requesting a product.  They shouldn't blame Goozex for their shortcomings.

In the OP's case, he has a valid complaint.  He requested full package and he should get everything.

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G-Nitro replied on 11-08-2009 11:03 AM

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Are you sure the UPCs are different on the actual cases of ODST? Or is there a separate UPC on the plastic package? Once the Package is open, I assumed that ODST cover was the same game packaging as the regular edition.

And this is just a broad issue, not just with ODST. There are numerous games with multiple listings. Some with accessories, and some without. When having numerous listings, the bundle should always require everything.

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cheeznrice replied on 11-08-2009 11:09 AM

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G-Nitro:

Are you sure the UPCs are different on the actual cases of ODST? Or is there a separate UPC on the plastic package? Once the Package is open, I assumed that ODST cover was the same game packaging as the regular edition.

The outer casing has a UPC which differs from the regular version of ODST.  The actual game included with the CE or LE does not have a UPC on it.

G-Nitro:

And this is just a broad issue, not just with ODST. There are numerous games with multiple listings. Some with accessories, and some without. When having numerous listings, the bundle should always require everything.

That's why they updated the FAQ to include information regarding bundles.  The wheel for Mario Kart doesn't affect playability, that's why I requested it as Disc + Manual.  People are more than welcome to read the FAQ and if they need clarification somebody in the forums is usually more than helpful.

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G-Nitro replied on 11-08-2009 11:14 AM

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cheeznrice:

G-Nitro:

Are you sure the UPCs are different on the actual cases of ODST? Or is there a separate UPC on the plastic package? Once the Package is open, I assumed that ODST cover was the same game packaging as the regular edition.

The outer casing has a UPC which differs from the regular version of ODST.  The actual game included with the CE or LE does not have a UPC on it.

 

G-Nitro:

And this is just a broad issue, not just with ODST. There are numerous games with multiple listings. Some with accessories, and some without. When having numerous listings, the bundle should always require everything.

That's why they updated the FAQ to include information regarding bundles.  The wheel for Mario Kart doesn't affect playability, that's why I requested it as Disc + Manual.  People are more than welcome to read the FAQ and if they need clarification somebody in the forums is usually more than helpful.

Well there's a problem then. The Games that come with GH bundles don't have UPCs either, but people are then forced to put them under the regular game listing if they want to trade them off without accessories. It should be the same for ODST since there is nothing extra in the CE version besides a UPC code missing (just like the other games).

And as per Mario Kart, I stated that games with only one listing it makes sense to do so, but not ones with multiple.

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cheeznrice replied on 11-08-2009 11:22 AM

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How is it a problem?  It's clearly stated in the FAQ.  If it affects playability it must be included, if it does not list it as Disc+Manual or Disc Only.  Pretty simple, unless simple is not simple enough for some simple people.  Also included in the FAQ directly under the entry regarding Bundles is a note to contact Goozex should you have any questions.

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G-Nitro replied on 11-08-2009 11:31 AM

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cheeznrice:

How is it a problem?  It's clearly stated in the FAQ.  If it affects playability it must be included, if it does not list it as Disc+Manual or Disc Only.  Pretty simple, unless simple is not simple enough for some simple people.  Also included in the FAQ directly under the entry regarding Bundles is a note to contact Goozex should you have any questions.

But you stated the UPCs are different, so it could be wrong product received, which could potentially be the same problem as the ones that come with GH bundles listed under the game only versions. Not stating it would happen, as the chances are it wouldn't. Just like someone posting ODST collector's under the regular 99.9% of the time would not receive a negative for wrong game received. And you know that. 

You sent yours off correctly, I'm not denying that. I'm only stating if a GH game that came with a bundle is okay to post up under the game only without the correct UPC, then ODST should be the same way. This isn't about playability, this is about the fact there are two seperate listings and the only difference in ODST with the bundle is no UPC on the cover art. Regardless of if it affects playability, it just seems to me that it should be put under the regular game and not the CE if you aren't including the accessories.

Mario Party 6 and 7 are similar to this ODST, and I wonder how that would work. The mics aren't necessary to play the game, but there are seperate listings. In fact, this came up in another topic a couple days ago, where the guy paid more, but didn't get the mic I believe. Mic doesn't affect playability, but can be used with it.

I think I may have sand in my vag today, who knows.

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GUNNM replied on 11-08-2009 11:31 AM

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no shit why is there even a debate over this? full package = with controller he didn't send it out negative

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cheeznrice replied on 11-08-2009 11:55 AM

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G-Nitro:

But you stated the UPCs are different, so it could be wrong product received, which could potentially be the same problem as the ones that come with GH bundles listed under the game only versions. Not stating it would happen, as the chances are it wouldn't. Just like someone posting ODST collector's under the regular 99.9% of the time would not receive a negative for wrong game received. And you know that. 

I don't know if that's how Goozex would actually rule on that (the different UPC thing).  To me if the UPC's are different, that's receiving the wrong product, but I agree with you that most really don't care or even notice.

Goozex has taken a stance on bundles (which they were accused of not doing previously) so any questions regarding what needs to be included and what doesn't is now in black and white.  If accessories affect playability they must be included regardless if it's listed as Full Package, Disc+Manual or Disc Only, if they don't then listing it as Disc Manual or Disc Only is acceptable.

I don't think you can really compare titles to like Guitar Hero and Rock Band to something like ODST, but I understand your point.  I think it can be compared to something like Assassin's Creed or Mass Effect with the tin case.  The tin case affects playability as much as the ODST controller does.  It's just a regular 360 controller with a Halo ODST paint job.  However, if the controller actually had a special in game function IE like an extra button that only ODST controllers could do in ODST then it would have to be included.  Since it's just a regular controller, it's basically just a tin case as far as playability is concerned and therefore not needed if listed as anyhting less than Full Package.

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Tiberius2 replied on 11-08-2009 1:43 PM

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cheeznrice:

The outer casing has a UPC which differs from the regular version of ODST.  The actual game included with the CE or LE does not have a UPC on it.

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Maskim replied on 11-08-2009 2:27 PM

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And there it is.  An official negative with prejudice.  Not only one the basis of he should have sent you a controller, but now you have actual proof he cheated you with upc.

Shut this clown shoe down.

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criminolelawyer replied on 11-08-2009 2:51 PM

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THis is almost egregious enough to warrant a penalty similar to that of pirated goods. This kind of sh*t needs to be discouraged with a steel fist. maybe not -250, but -100 would sit well with me.

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cheeznrice replied on 11-08-2009 5:30 PM

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Tiberius2:

cheeznrice:

The outer casing has a UPC which differs from the regular version of ODST.  The actual game included with the CE or LE does not have a UPC on it.

The game I received has a UPC code on the case....he sent me a standard edition disc.

I'd say the seller has done a pretty good job in building a case against himself.  Here are pics of the CE and as you can tell the back of the actual DVD case does not have a UPC.

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killmak replied on 11-08-2009 5:38 PM

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The picture you put up is not of the back of the actual game case.  The back is a full sized piece of cardboard covering up the back of the game case.  You are right though as I am holding my CE copy of ODST and it does not have a upc code.  It doesnt say not for resale though which is a nice change.