If you can't see the inherent monetary disadvantages in MLB than this discussion is moot. The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer. Teams like that want to spend money, but when all of the best players sign with the highest bidder, why would you waste $100 million on chumps like Aubrey Huff just to improve from 60 wins to 70?
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mafafu:The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer.
The fact that he'd be playing in Washington for the Natinals might have had something to do with it.
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cheeznrice: mafafu:The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer. The fact that he'd be playing in Washington for the Natinals might have had something to do with it.
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mafafu: cheeznrice: mafafu:The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer. The fact that he'd be playing in Washington for the Natinals might have had something to do with it. touche'
If it's anything like the NHL (which has a cap, so it's not) players do not want to go to certain markets IE Edmonton. I've been to Edmonton and I can see why
Bobster823: Florida finished only 6 games out of their divison, behind the Phillies, so considering their payroll I find that pretty impressive.
Florida finished only 6 games out of their divison, behind the Phillies, so considering their payroll I find that pretty impressive.
Definitely impressive but they don't spend money and GET a ton of it from the Yankees
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mafafu: If you can't see the inherent monetary disadvantages in MLB than this discussion is moot. The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer. Teams like that want to spend money, but when all of the best players sign with the highest bidder, why would you waste $100 million on chumps like Aubrey Huff just to improve from 60 wins to 70?
I See the monetary disadvantages as a product of the owners greed. If they wanted to win they'd spend the money if they want to make money they save their money.
If the rockies took 15 million out of their 25 million and bought a top of the line starter everyyear they'd make money in the long run.
I just don't think you can blame the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win while other teams decide to line their own pockets.
Aubrey Huff is terrible. Peter Angelos though is a perfect example of someone loaded who spends money in the wrong places
acsguitar: mafafu: taintedzodiac: acsguitar: mafafu: It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field. So basically what you are saying is because other team owners are greedy and won't spend money on a team it's the yankees fault?Billionaire owners WON'T buy players because they are afraid of taking a risk. The Steinbrenners weren't afraid of that and they give the fans what they want. The whole "can't afford good players" is a total myth. All of those owners CAN afford good players they just wont'. They choose to live in mediocrity rather the compete. It's more the fact that other teams don't generate the revenue to make buying players profitable. Only the Yankees could turn a profit (or a minimal loss) after spending that kind of dough. Exactly. The Yankees have an inherent advantage that teams like Toronto and Tampa Bay do not have. Look at Tampa - they had one good year, now they have to decide which players to get rid of, as they can not afford them all. HUH....look at this chart...Look at the rockies for example! (who I'm a big fan of) http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Value.html Yankees LOST money operating this year Look at these teams operating income! #1 Marlins: 43 Million #2 Nations: 42 Million #4 Rays: 29.4Million WTF! See they make a ton of money and DON'T put it back into their team. Here's a great article on the Marlins living on welfare http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1970&Itemid=39
mafafu: taintedzodiac: acsguitar: mafafu: It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field. So basically what you are saying is because other team owners are greedy and won't spend money on a team it's the yankees fault?Billionaire owners WON'T buy players because they are afraid of taking a risk. The Steinbrenners weren't afraid of that and they give the fans what they want. The whole "can't afford good players" is a total myth. All of those owners CAN afford good players they just wont'. They choose to live in mediocrity rather the compete. It's more the fact that other teams don't generate the revenue to make buying players profitable. Only the Yankees could turn a profit (or a minimal loss) after spending that kind of dough. Exactly. The Yankees have an inherent advantage that teams like Toronto and Tampa Bay do not have. Look at Tampa - they had one good year, now they have to decide which players to get rid of, as they can not afford them all.
taintedzodiac: acsguitar: mafafu: It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field. So basically what you are saying is because other team owners are greedy and won't spend money on a team it's the yankees fault?Billionaire owners WON'T buy players because they are afraid of taking a risk. The Steinbrenners weren't afraid of that and they give the fans what they want. The whole "can't afford good players" is a total myth. All of those owners CAN afford good players they just wont'. They choose to live in mediocrity rather the compete. It's more the fact that other teams don't generate the revenue to make buying players profitable. Only the Yankees could turn a profit (or a minimal loss) after spending that kind of dough.
acsguitar: mafafu: It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field. So basically what you are saying is because other team owners are greedy and won't spend money on a team it's the yankees fault?Billionaire owners WON'T buy players because they are afraid of taking a risk. The Steinbrenners weren't afraid of that and they give the fans what they want. The whole "can't afford good players" is a total myth. All of those owners CAN afford good players they just wont'. They choose to live in mediocrity rather the compete.
mafafu: It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field.
It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field.
So basically what you are saying is because other team owners are greedy and won't spend money on a team it's the yankees fault?Billionaire owners WON'T buy players because they are afraid of taking a risk. The Steinbrenners weren't afraid of that and they give the fans what they want. The whole "can't afford good players" is a total myth. All of those owners CAN afford good players they just wont'. They choose to live in mediocrity rather the compete.
It's more the fact that other teams don't generate the revenue to make buying players profitable. Only the Yankees could turn a profit (or a minimal loss) after spending that kind of dough.
Exactly. The Yankees have an inherent advantage that teams like Toronto and Tampa Bay do not have. Look at Tampa - they had one good year, now they have to decide which players to get rid of, as they can not afford them all.
HUH....look at this chart...Look at the rockies for example! (who I'm a big fan of)
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Value.html
Yankees LOST money operating this year
Look at these teams operating income!
#1 Marlins: 43 Million
#2 Nations: 42 Million
#4 Rays: 29.4Million
WTF! See they make a ton of money and DON'T put it back into their team. Here's a great article on the Marlins living on welfare
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1970&Itemid=39
The problem with the chart you are looking at is this "3Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization." The numbers are skewed due to this. Also this doesnt take into account revenue earned through TV, the Yankees have their own station which makes them millions of dollars. I can guarantee you that they Yankees made the most proifit this past season out of all the MLB teams.
killmak: acsguitar: mafafu: taintedzodiac: acsguitar: mafafu: It is a flaming sack of crap that the Yankees can have individual players that make more than a whole team in salary. There is no way in hell that MLB has an even playing field. So basically what you are saying is because other team owners are greedy and won't spend money on a team it's the yankees fault?Billionaire owners WON'T buy players because they are afraid of taking a risk. The Steinbrenners weren't afraid of that and they give the fans what they want. The whole "can't afford good players" is a total myth. All of those owners CAN afford good players they just wont'. They choose to live in mediocrity rather the compete. It's more the fact that other teams don't generate the revenue to make buying players profitable. Only the Yankees could turn a profit (or a minimal loss) after spending that kind of dough. Exactly. The Yankees have an inherent advantage that teams like Toronto and Tampa Bay do not have. Look at Tampa - they had one good year, now they have to decide which players to get rid of, as they can not afford them all. HUH....look at this chart...Look at the rockies for example! (who I'm a big fan of) http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Value.html Yankees LOST money operating this year Look at these teams operating income! #1 Marlins: 43 Million #2 Nations: 42 Million #4 Rays: 29.4Million WTF! See they make a ton of money and DON'T put it back into their team. Here's a great article on the Marlins living on welfare http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1970&Itemid=39 The problem with the chart you are looking at is this "3Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization." The numbers are skewed due to this. Also this doesnt take into account revenue earned through TV, the Yankees have their own station which makes them millions of dollars. I can guarantee you that they Yankees made the most proifit this past season out of all the MLB teams.
Ok then check out this article on most profitiable teams since purchase:
http://bizcovering.com/major-companies/baseball-teams-with-highest-revenue-increases/
It's not this year only but shows what teams have been most profitiable since their current owners took over. Note the Royals are #1
acsguitar:I See the monetary disadvantages as a product of the owners greed. If they wanted to win they'd spend the money if they want to make money they save their money.
Lets say that Tampa Bay really made 30 million dollars last year, do you think if they upped their payroll by that much that they would have a chance to win the World Series? Do you think that if they spent more money they would make more money? Last year they almost won it all yet they still didnt have fan support. This year they were decent and the fans still stayed away. Their payroll would have to jump up by at least 50-70 million dollars to make them a yearly contender and that is just rediculous. The payroll of the top teams is just plain stupid and something needs to be done about it.
acsguitar: mafafu: If you can't see the inherent monetary disadvantages in MLB than this discussion is moot. The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer. Teams like that want to spend money, but when all of the best players sign with the highest bidder, why would you waste $100 million on chumps like Aubrey Huff just to improve from 60 wins to 70? I See the monetary disadvantages as a product of the owners greed. If they wanted to win they'd spend the money if they want to make money they save their money. If the rockies took 15 million out of their 25 million and bought a top of the line starter everyyear they'd make money in the long run. I just don't think you can blame the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win while other teams decide to line their own pockets. Aubrey Huff is terrible. Peter Angelos though is a perfect example of someone loaded who spends money in the wrong places
Peter Angelos is the perfect example of an owner who tries to sign the big players but gets spurned. He than wastes his money on chuckleheads to appease the fans, who aren't appeased.
I don't blame the Yankees per se, but don't come in here as Yankees fans acting like you just did something spectacular. You spent hundreds of millions of dollars in fee agency to win a WS. Hooray for you. You should have been lambasted had you not won.
And don't start with all that "other teams don't spend money" BS. They did not get huge tax breaks to have a money-making stadium in downtown New York. You will never win the equality argument, because MLB is not equal. There are the haves and the have nots. Stop making excuses for what it is.
The Yankees teams of the 90's were respectable in that they were more homegrown (with the occasional trade thrown in - like Paul O'Neill). This team has very little to be proud of outside of their paycheck.
mafafu: acsguitar: mafafu: If you can't see the inherent monetary disadvantages in MLB than this discussion is moot. The Nationals tried to sign Texiera but were tens of millions of dollars below the Yankees offer. Teams like that want to spend money, but when all of the best players sign with the highest bidder, why would you waste $100 million on chumps like Aubrey Huff just to improve from 60 wins to 70? I See the monetary disadvantages as a product of the owners greed. If they wanted to win they'd spend the money if they want to make money they save their money. If the rockies took 15 million out of their 25 million and bought a top of the line starter everyyear they'd make money in the long run. I just don't think you can blame the yankees for doing whatever it takes to win while other teams decide to line their own pockets. Aubrey Huff is terrible. Peter Angelos though is a perfect example of someone loaded who spends money in the wrong places Peter Angelos is the perfect example of an owner who tries to sign the big players but gets spurned. He than wastes his money on chuckleheads to appease the fans, who aren't appeased. I don't blame the Yankees per se, but don't come in here as Yankees fans acting like you just did something spectacular. You spent hundreds of millions of dollars in fee agency to win a WS. Hooray for you. You should have been lambasted had you not won. And don't start with all that "other teams don't spend money" BS. They did not get huge tax breaks to have a money-making stadium in downtown New York. You will never win the equality argument, because MLB is not equal. There are the haves and the have nots. Stop making excuses for what it is. The Yankees teams of the 90's were respectable in that they were more homegrown (with the occasional trade thrown in - like Paul O'Neill). This team has very little to be proud of outside of their paycheck.
I never said it was amazing or surprising that the Yankees one and as a Yankees fan I think they should win every year with that payroll. Unfortunately it's not that easy.
As for haves and have nots Look at the articles I've put forth. Teams that suck are profitable more so then teams that don't suck.
BTW the homegrown myth is just that;
Jeter,Posada,Rivera, Pettite, Melky, Gardner,Joba,Hughes are all home grown and 4 of those guys have been here since the 90's.
People just get pissed that the yankees sign the big names for way too much money. baseball is a business. Maybe if the Marlins spent 20 million more each year they'd get some World Series championships and gain some fans. Which brings me to another point. Bad business moves via MLB aren't the yankees fault either. It's not the yankees fault that MLB decided to dump a team in Tampa Bay and DC. And it's not the Yankees fault that teams like the Royals choose money over winning. The Yankees are probably the most popular team on earth so yes they have a TV network. So do the red sox (NESN).
I just don't want to hear crying about the Yankees winning because of money. yes they spent the most money. They also have the most fans to stick up for. They also are historically the best team ever in any US Sport.
It all comes down to owners. Owners CAN afford to buy players they are billionaires. I'm not crying for billionaires that are too greedy to spend a buck.
cheeznrice:If it's anything like the NHL (which has a cap, so it's not) players do not want to go to certain markets IE Edmonton. I've been to Edmonton and I can see why
I remember a couple of years ago Michael Nylander told the Oilers he was going to sign with them as a free agent. The next day he called them back and said he wasn't going to sign. Supposedly Nylander's wife could be heard crying in the background, saying she refused to live in Edmonton.
ElfShotTheFood: cheeznrice:If it's anything like the NHL (which has a cap, so it's not) players do not want to go to certain markets IE Edmonton. I've been to Edmonton and I can see why I remember a couple of years ago Michael Nylander told the Oilers he was going to sign with them as a free agent. The next day he called them back and said he wasn't going to sign. Supposedly Nylander's wife could be heard crying in the background, saying she refused to live in Edmonton.
lol seriously .... thats a funny story. If I was an athlete I'd go to where they paid me the most unless it was super lame
The problem is not the Yankees. They happen to have the means to take advantage of a broken system.
The problem is said broken system. There should be no way that a team with by far the highest payroll in the league should be able to sign the top three free agents in an offseason.
Ricky0282: The problem is not the Yankees. They happen to have the means to take advantage of a broken system. The problem is said broken system. There should be no way that a team with by far the highest payroll in the league should be able to sign the top three free agents in an offseason.
And on the flip side there should be no way that certain crappy teams spend 0 dollars get millions from the yankees and make a ton of money while finishing in last
