Kenny007: derekjr: I read it as the custom slip was mentioned after the negative was left. I assume this was a only few days before the trade was auto closed. I meant mention it when it first came up when the seller first stated he can't send games to Canada. DTP can correct me if I am wrong in my timing, though. No, you're reasoning looks right; I see what you're saying. Still, I'm not in favor of putting blame on a buyer for a seller's hesitation and mistakes.
derekjr: I read it as the custom slip was mentioned after the negative was left. I assume this was a only few days before the trade was auto closed. I meant mention it when it first came up when the seller first stated he can't send games to Canada. DTP can correct me if I am wrong in my timing, though.
I read it as the custom slip was mentioned after the negative was left. I assume this was a only few days before the trade was auto closed. I meant mention it when it first came up when the seller first stated he can't send games to Canada. DTP can correct me if I am wrong in my timing, though.
No, you're reasoning looks right; I see what you're saying.
Still, I'm not in favor of putting blame on a buyer for a seller's hesitation and mistakes.
The easiest way to have a positive experience on Goozex is good communication. I can't really say the buyer or the seller really demonstrated that in this situation.
Is the buyer to blame? No, but they could have done a lot more if they really wanted the game as bad as they imply. Being a veteran and a former top buyer/seller, I would have figured they would have done that instead of posting in the forums "hey look at this" trying to validate their decision.
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I'm too nice of a guy I probably would've canceled just to get movin on the next game. But I think the Buyer is well within his rights to do what he did. eh
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Rather than blow this out of proportion, why not be the bigger man and explain to him how to change his region settings to disallow canada as an option. He says he was new so give him a break. As for the cancellation, you should have had him cancel so you could get your spot back and then you would lose nothing and he would'nt have had to take a negative feedback, which probably sucks being a new user. Really the immature one is you in this case. Well it was until he started calling you a douchetard canuck or whatever it was.
ericengler: Well it was until he started calling you a douchetard canuck or whatever it was.
Well it was until he started calling you a douchetard canuck or whatever it was.
Indeed. Any potential sympathy was lost once he resorted to name-calling. Makes me further assume he was just trying to sneak out of a trade by playing the ignorance card rather than having a legitimate concern.
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Kenny007: ericengler: Well it was until he started calling you a douchetard canuck or whatever it was. Indeed. Any potential sympathy was lost once he resorted to name-calling. Makes me further assume he was just trying to sneak out of a trade by playing the ignorance card rather than having a legitimate concern.
Or it makes me think he is just immature. Name-calling is the last resort of the stupid person. (probably why I do it so much ) He lost sympathy with that, but the fact remains, this whole thing could have been avoided and not paraded in the forums with a simple press of the accept button. Too many of us try to make examples out of people instead of helping them.
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Sure dtp could have accepted the cancel and sure he could have had more communication with the seller, however on Goozex the buyer does not need to accept a cancel. If the seller didnt want to send to Canada he should have never accepted, and even then you still have a little bit of time to cancel without the other users consent.
On the forums so often I see questions about whether people should accept the cancellation request and in all those threads I see this line "you do not have to accept the cancellation request if you dont want to". Well dtp didnt want to accept the request and since that is acceptable on this site then there is no reason to be bashing him for it. He had every right to not accept the request and also communication with the other party is Optional not mandatory.
The sellers comments in the dispute are childish and unacceptable, cant wait till the negative sticks so I can make sure not to ever trade with this user. He can go on the list with the lazy bastard Kenny007 who wont make the time to trade with us damn canucks
killmak: Sure dtp could have accepted the cancel and sure he could have had more communication with the seller, however on Goozex the buyer does not need to accept a cancel. If the seller didnt want to send to Canada he should have never accepted, and even then you still have a little bit of time to cancel without the other users consent. On the forums so often I see questions about whether people should accept the cancellation request and in all those threads I see this line "you do not have to accept the cancellation request if you dont want to". Well dtp didnt want to accept the request and since that is acceptable on this site then there is no reason to be bashing him for it. He had every right to not accept the request and also communication with the other party is Optional not mandatory. The sellers comments in the dispute are childish and unacceptable, cant wait till the negative sticks so I can make sure not to ever trade with this user. He can go on the list with the lazy bastard Kenny007 who wont make the time to trade with us damn canucks
lol....well put. I simply can't deal with the PO, or I'd love to trade to Canada personally. I get trades out within the hour now; with Canada I'd have to wait to ship on Fridays. That would make me a sad seller.
Kenny007: killmak: Sure dtp could have accepted the cancel and sure he could have had more communication with the seller, however on Goozex the buyer does not need to accept a cancel. If the seller didnt want to send to Canada he should have never accepted, and even then you still have a little bit of time to cancel without the other users consent. On the forums so often I see questions about whether people should accept the cancellation request and in all those threads I see this line "you do not have to accept the cancellation request if you dont want to". Well dtp didnt want to accept the request and since that is acceptable on this site then there is no reason to be bashing him for it. He had every right to not accept the request and also communication with the other party is Optional not mandatory. The sellers comments in the dispute are childish and unacceptable, cant wait till the negative sticks so I can make sure not to ever trade with this user. He can go on the list with the lazy bastard Kenny007 who wont make the time to trade with us damn canucks lol....well put. I simply can't deal with the PO, or I'd love to trade to Canada personally. I get trades out within the hour now; with Canada I'd have to wait to ship on Fridays. That would make me a sad seller.
Dude, I even opened up to Canada and I hate those ***ers.. No excuses for you anymore.
mafafu: Kenny007: killmak: Sure dtp could have accepted the cancel and sure he could have had more communication with the seller, however on Goozex the buyer does not need to accept a cancel. If the seller didnt want to send to Canada he should have never accepted, and even then you still have a little bit of time to cancel without the other users consent. On the forums so often I see questions about whether people should accept the cancellation request and in all those threads I see this line "you do not have to accept the cancellation request if you dont want to". Well dtp didnt want to accept the request and since that is acceptable on this site then there is no reason to be bashing him for it. He had every right to not accept the request and also communication with the other party is Optional not mandatory. The sellers comments in the dispute are childish and unacceptable, cant wait till the negative sticks so I can make sure not to ever trade with this user. He can go on the list with the lazy bastard Kenny007 who wont make the time to trade with us damn canucks lol....well put. I simply can't deal with the PO, or I'd love to trade to Canada personally. I get trades out within the hour now; with Canada I'd have to wait to ship on Fridays. That would make me a sad seller. Dude, I even opened up to Canada and I hate those ***ers.. No excuses for you anymore.
Yeah, I re-opened back up for now since I can ship games on my lunch break for now. Going to have to rethink if I lose that priviledge or find a smaller post office that isn't as packed as the one near me.
killmak: Sure dtp could have accepted the cancel and sure he could have had more communication with the seller, however on Goozex the buyer does not need to accept a cancel. If the seller didnt want to send to Canada he should have never accepted, and even then you still have a little bit of time to cancel without the other users consent. On the forums so often I see questions about whether people should accept the cancellation request and in all those threads I see this line "you do not have to accept the cancellation request if you dont want to". Well dtp didnt want to accept the request and since that is acceptable on this site then there is no reason to be bashing him for it. He had every right to not accept the request and also communication with the other party is Optional not mandatory. The sellers comments in the dispute are childish and unacceptable, cant wait till the negative sticks so I can make sure not to ever trade with this user.
The sellers comments in the dispute are childish and unacceptable, cant wait till the negative sticks so I can make sure not to ever trade with this user.
Indeed. Every step to get to open up another country for trade has a few manual steps hence there is no way at all that the seller didn't know of this. The buyer was in his right to cancel. I agree that good communication is key but in this case, communication or not, the buyer had the right to decline, especially if the seller admits in having the product on hand. Goozex has to enforce it's own policies. You cannot make exceptions for something this obvious (there seems to be many these days...).
batmania15: I am with the buyer on this one. Not only should the Seller have not activated canada but the seller should have looked at the address it had to be shipped to BEFORE he accepted the trade.
I am with the buyer on this one. Not only should the Seller have not activated canada but the seller should have looked at the address it had to be shipped to BEFORE he accepted the trade.
I had several cases that I forget to check the destination before accepting the trade, and seeing Canada later on, said "oops, I now need to go to the post office to send this game" :(
Neither party handled this situation as well as they could have, but I think the law sides with DTP this time around.
I just don't understand why you wouldn't accept the cancellation except out of spite. In most cases, letting the cancellation hang in limbo isn't going to speed things up. If the user doesn't want to send the game, they're not going to send the game.
It might make sense, though, to have cancellation requests time out after three days or so. At that point, send an e-mail to the person who initiated it saying "Cancellation Rejected. Better send that game out now." It's better than just letting it sit there ignored until the trade is disputed.
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I think you're both at fault. The user never should've put Canada in his trading region if he had no intent of trading to Canada (unless it truly was an accident), and you should've simply accepted the cancellation. Wouldn't that have been faster to accept the cancellation and get matched again (takes maybe a week), then to wait for either him to mail the game or wait out a dispute (at least a week or 2), Also, both of you should have had better communication (like him calling you a douchetard canuck).
Buyer in a part says to the seller grow up ? Come on what more mature That cancel a game ?? People have issues , giving him a negative after he requests a cancel won't make him send you the game , by the way if sellers request the cancellation you get your position , tokens and points back !! It would be more easily for you , that making a whole show , im not defending the seller he made it wrong , but he responsable request a cancel because he wasnt comfortable making a trade without tracking , i think that if he did it bad you only maked it worse ! you delayed your chances of getting the game and who knows if in this time you disputing a feedback there was a match that really worked and you only waste it arguing . Good Luck Next Time !!!
mrkekeru: Don't listen to any of these pansies.
Don't listen to any of these pansies.
cheeznrice: I think the seller needs to chalk this up to a hard lesson learned, though better communication from both parties would have resolved the issue before feedback was left.
I think the seller needs to chalk this up to a hard lesson learned, though better communication from both parties would have resolved the issue before feedback was left.
Kenny007: Damn straight. I'm slightly appalled that all these veteran and mod users are suggesting to 'Do the nice thing' and accept a cancel on a matter that clearly doesn't warrant such action. That's just like providing +10 to a user that shipped a week late and only sent the disc on a FP listing just because you liked their avatar. As far as I know, you can't ACCIDENTALLY add countries to your trading region, so this fool was just trying to weasel out of a trade. There's no reason he should even consider the cancel, and this user who has refused to ship a game should be docked for it via their feedback and provide a warning to others (especially Canadian users). The OP is doing a favor to the community at an expense to trading time by taking the time to point out this subpar (and abusive) trader to the rest of the community. It wasn't too long ago we had a few users post giving out +5s/+10s for transactions that should have truly been neutral and the community went all "what the hell?" on them. This is no different, and the proper feedback was left. Stay the course DTP!
Damn straight. I'm slightly appalled that all these veteran and mod users are suggesting to 'Do the nice thing' and accept a cancel on a matter that clearly doesn't warrant such action. That's just like providing +10 to a user that shipped a week late and only sent the disc on a FP listing just because you liked their avatar.
As far as I know, you can't ACCIDENTALLY add countries to your trading region, so this fool was just trying to weasel out of a trade. There's no reason he should even consider the cancel, and this user who has refused to ship a game should be docked for it via their feedback and provide a warning to others (especially Canadian users). The OP is doing a favor to the community at an expense to trading time by taking the time to point out this subpar (and abusive) trader to the rest of the community. It wasn't too long ago we had a few users post giving out +5s/+10s for transactions that should have truly been neutral and the community went all "what the hell?" on them. This is no different, and the proper feedback was left.
Stay the course DTP!
derekjr: Only DTP knows the sellers cancelation record, though.
Only DTP knows the sellers cancelation record, though.
batmania15: ...the seller ...deserves to receive negative feedback and learn from his mistake otherwise he will most likely do it again.
...the seller ...deserves to receive negative feedback and learn from his mistake otherwise he will most likely do it again.
derekjr: If I hit accept, though, I will always send it no matter where they are. It is just the right thing to do.
If I hit accept, though, I will always send it no matter where they are. It is just the right thing to do.
Kenny007: Still, I'm not in favor of putting blame on a buyer for a seller's hesitation and mistakes.
cheeznrice: Is the buyer to blame? No, but they could have done a lot more if they really wanted the game as bad as they imply. Being a veteran and a former top buyer/seller, I would have figured they would have done that instead of posting in the forums "hey look at this" trying to validate their decision.
ericengler: Rather than blow this out of proportion, why not be the bigger man and explain to him how to change his region settings to disallow canada as an option. He says he was new so give him a break. As for the cancellation, you should have had him cancel so you could get your spot back and then you would lose nothing and he would'nt have had to take a negative feedback, which probably sucks being a new user. Really the immature one is you in this case.
Rather than blow this out of proportion, why not be the bigger man and explain to him how to change his region settings to disallow canada as an option. He says he was new so give him a break. As for the cancellation, you should have had him cancel so you could get your spot back and then you would lose nothing and he would'nt have had to take a negative feedback, which probably sucks being a new user. Really the immature one is you in this case.
mafafu: but the fact remains, this whole thing could have been avoided and not paraded in the forums with a simple press of the accept button. Too many of us try to make examples out of people instead of helping them.
but the fact remains, this whole thing could have been avoided and not paraded in the forums with a simple press of the accept button. Too many of us try to make examples out of people instead of helping them.
kuliddar: Indeed. Every step to get to open up another country for trade has a few manual steps hence there is no way at all that the seller didn't know of this. The buyer was in his right to cancel. I agree that good communication is key but in this case, communication or not, the buyer had the right to decline, especially if the seller admits in having the product on hand. Goozex has to enforce it's own policies. You cannot make exceptions for something this obvious (there seems to be many these days...).
Renaissance 2K: If the user doesn't want to send the game, they're not going to send the game.
If the user doesn't want to send the game, they're not going to send the game.
monsterfracas: Not trying to be rude or anything, but I think you're both at fault. The user never should've put Canada in his trading region if he had no intent of trading to Canada (unless it truly was an accident), and you should've simply accepted the cancellation.
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I think you're both at fault. The user never should've put Canada in his trading region if he had no intent of trading to Canada (unless it truly was an accident), and you should've simply accepted the cancellation.
Rotten Mind: Buyer in a part says to the seller grow up ? Come on what more mature That cancel a game ?? People have issues , giving him a negative after he requests a cancel won't make him send you the game , by the way if sellers request the cancellation you get your position , tokens and points back !! It would be more easily for you , that making a whole show , im not defending the seller he made it wrong , but he responsable request a cancel because he wasnt comfortable making a trade without tracking , i think that if he did it bad you only maked it worse ! you delayed your chances of getting the game and who knows if in this time you disputing a feedback there was a match that really worked and you only waste it arguing . Good Luck Next Time !!!