On Hold.... not fair?

Bullitt replied on 10-23-2009 7:33 PM | Locked

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acsguitar:

Bullitt:

I get that... but .... that would be covered if the system just did not put people comming off of Hold in front of active/ready ppl.  My thought was if you are not in line... when you do get in line .... you go to the end.  The end being the people who were ready to trade before someone coming off of hold.  I guess this is more about people be ready bumped by people not being ready. 

So when you are 10th in line and 9 people put it on hold and you jump to first do you not want the game?

I am not really talking about wants, but I am talking about offers.  If I am 10th in line for a trade that I am offering, and 9 people are on hold, I should go to the front.  Those 9 should not have been there in the first place.  They were not ready.  They did not have a game to offer ... for whatever reason. 

Bullitt replied on 10-23-2009 7:39 PM | Locked

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PSWii60 Elite:

What do you care? Just think of it as all those people a head of you letting you cut.

They are not letting me cut.  They should not have been in line.  They are not ready to trade.  The hold is fine..just not to be in line until the trade is ready and when they are ready... then they get in the queue.

Bobster823 replied on 10-23-2009 7:54 PM | Locked

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Bullitt:

I am not really talking about wants, but I am talking about offers.  If I am 10th in line for a trade that I am offering, and 9 people are on hold, I should go to the front.  Those 9 should not have been there in the first place.  They were not ready.  They did not have a game to offer ... for whatever reason. 

Bullitt replied on 10-23-2009 7:59 PM | Locked

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IrishFan:

This is the way the Goozex system works,and i don't think it will be changed anytime soon. I for one like how it works now. But thanks for you opinion.

Thanks. I do agree, that it is possibly not going to change anytime soon. It does work as is and I have made enough trades to not stop using Goozex. Goozex support .... I had to use only once and they were on top of the issue instantly. I really like this service. Just thought it might be a tiny bit better if done a little different.

Zenverse replied on 10-23-2009 8:02 PM | Locked

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Bullitt:

Zenverse:

Kenny007:

I don't think this thread was meant for most Goozex users. 

These users got there first.  They step aside to let others pass while they're not ready, rejoining when they are.  They always have been ahead of you.

This is exactly how I see it. They were already in line in front of you so it doesn't bother me. If you click on view stats for your requests, a popup will tell you how many people are ahead of you including people on hold. So when you request, you must keep in mind that those people on hold can activate and move in front of you at any time. They may be on hold because they are waiting for the point value to go down, or for any other reason. Most games will eventually go down in points and some people may not be in a hurry to get the game, so they can wait, but they don't want to lose their spot. They may let the people with deep pockets get in front of them to spend 1000 points on a used game, then they can activate when it gets to a point value that is comfortable for them. I can understand the op's concern but I think it works fine the way it is.

But that is not how I see it and I guess that is why I posted in the first place.  I also feel that there are more people that see it this way, than what some random people may say with no facts to back it up.  The whole thing is...I see it  as you are only in line if you are willing to part with your trade right then.  Until a person is ready, they can not get into line.  That is the bottom line... if you are not willing to trade right then, then you should not have a place in the line.  It is fine having a individual que to stack your games that you are going to trade. 

Bullitt replied on 10-24-2009 8:04 AM | Locked

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Zenverse:

Ok, I must have misread. Your stance is more as a seller rather than buyer. Here's another scenario; what if you were 1st in line to trade out a game and you went on vacation. You could either manually put your games on hold or activate vacation mode. However, instead of this, you are saying you would get out of line and re-add yourself when you come back. Would you want to get in the back of a very long and slow moving line just because you were on vacation for a few days? Or would you like your spot saved so that you can trade it out right away once you get back?

Actually, what I was thinking should not affect vacation mode and push those ppl out of line. Also it should not affect those who are in line that can not trade because of a lack of tokens. This would also include those who a restricted because their trade limit is maxed out at the time. So, basically if you are restricted by goozex because of predetermined restrictions or a goozex user has placed their entire account on restriction (vacation mode), they will retain their place in line. But those who are just not willing to part with their game do not get a place in line until they are ready to do so.  Would that not cover it all?

Also, Thanks for keeping this as a discussion. I normally don't like forums but like Goozex and thought that this topic has been previously been shot down way to easily by those that can not contain themselves. I am not ranting, crying, or any other sort of boo hooing. I just wanted to hash this thought out with others that use and enjoy the service as I do. Thanks again.

lessthanjizzle replied on 10-24-2009 2:03 PM | Locked

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Kenny007:

I don't think this thread was meant for most Goozex users. 

These users got there first.  They step aside to let others pass while they're not ready, rejoining when they are.  They always have been ahead of you.

This.

Goozex is find and I think the On Hold feature is a great feature to have. It isn't going to change wither sooo thats that.

taintedzodiac replied on 10-24-2009 3:42 PM | Locked

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Bullitt:

But that is not how I see it and I guess that is why I posted in the first place.  I also feel that there are more people that see it this way, than what some random people may say with no facts to back it up.  The whole thing is...I see it  as you are only in line if you are willing to part with your trade right then.  Until a person is ready, they can not get into line.  That is the bottom line... if you are not willing to trade right then, then you should not have a place in the line.  It is fine having a individual que to stack your games that you are going to trade. 

I think you need to look at it this way to understand what the majority are saying here:

When someone "bumps" you back in the queue, it's fair because that same person bumped you up in the queue previously by being on hold or restricted. If you are 10th in line and currently the 1st that is ready to trade, consider it as getting bumped up 9 spots (not as being 1st).

Now, to simplify it, you may either have this:

... or this:

mafafu replied on 10-24-2009 3:45 PM | Locked

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taintedzodiac:

Bullitt:

But that is not how I see it and I guess that is why I posted in the first place.  I also feel that there are more people that see it this way, than what some random people may say with no facts to back it up.  The whole thing is...I see it  as you are only in line if you are willing to part with your trade right then.  Until a person is ready, they can not get into line.  That is the bottom line... if you are not willing to trade right then, then you should not have a place in the line.  It is fine having a individual que to stack your games that you are going to trade. 

I think you need to look at it this way to understand what the majority are saying here:

When someone "bumps" you back in the queue, it's fair because that same person bumped you up in the queue previously by being on hold or restricted. If you are 10th in line and currently the 1st that is ready to trade, consider it as getting bumped up 9 spots (not as being 1st).

Your post sounds like an MC Hammer song.

After reading the OP's comments with a little more sleep and a little less irritation, I think he understands the concept now. I think he just does not like it. Or that could just be the oxycodone talking.

bhhawks78 replied on 10-24-2009 6:45 PM | Locked

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You've been here long enough to know if you say anything even slightly negative you will be trolled by a dozen people.  Silly but it's pretty consistent see: hold/disc+case/exchange/spamming refresh at 1 am to request Threads.

killmak replied on 10-24-2009 6:51 PM | Locked

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bhhawks78:

You've been here long enough to know if you say anything even slightly negative you will be trolled by a dozen people.  Silly but it's pretty consistent see: hold/disc+case/exchange/spamming refresh at 1 am to request Threads.

Its not trolling just because people differ in opinion.  When 90% of the community disagree with what you have to say then obviously you are going to get people telling you their opinion.

Zach21 replied on 10-24-2009 6:55 PM | Locked

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PSWii60 Elite:

What do you care? Just think of it as all those people a head of you letting you cut.

What he said.

TenTonHammer23 replied on 10-24-2009 7:43 PM | Locked

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But what difference does it make since they are in front of you.  The On Hold status makes it to where if someone has a reason for not trading a game, they can let people by them.  Would you rather people just be in front of you indefinately?  Its a very well thought out system that allows a little more flexibility in terms of being in a line and still giving people access to games if someone else puts them on hold.  Also, like was said earlier, I don't see how you feel there is a difference in opinion on the hold and restricted.  Cause yes, you are basically saying if the person can't trade, they don't deserve their spot.  So yeah, restriction is not trading, so if someone is 50 points short when their spot for uncharted 2 comes up, whoops, back to 500+ spot in line. 

Bullitt replied on 10-24-2009 8:28 PM | Locked

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TenTonHammer23:

But what difference does it make since they are in front of you.  The On Hold status makes it to where if someone has a reason for not trading a game, they can let people by them.

The difference is, also the point, is that anyone not willing to trade should not have a place in line until they want to actually commit. 'On Hold' is committing to not commit, until they are ready to commit. I get it. I understand it. I know how the system works. It just does not make any sense to allow users to do that except for certain circumstances (Trade restrictions,  Vacation).

TenTonHammer23:

  Would you rather people just be in front of you indefinately? 

Of course not.  That is not even remotely close to what I am saying.

TenTonHammer23:

 

 Its a very well thought out system that allows a little more flexibility in terms of being in a line and still giving people access to games if someone else puts them on hold.  Also, like was said earlier, I don't see how you feel there is a difference in opinion on the hold and restricted.  Cause yes, you are basically saying if the person can't trade, they don't deserve their spot.  So yeah, restriction is not trading, so if someone is 50 points short when their spot for uncharted 2 comes up, whoops, back to 500+ spot in line. 

Please don't take this the wrong way... I was trying to be clear on that earlier.. I like Goozex, and the system works. It is far from perfect.  I don't drink cool aid.  I was just thinking it could be better and this topic could help. Also what I was saying about restricted is, it is placed on the user by Goozex, therefor it is not the user not wanting to trade. That is when something should go into hold. That or Vacation Mode since the user is stopping everything in their account.