So I just got my copy of GH: Van Halen...

Zenverse replied on 10-08-2009 5:55 PM | Locked

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mafafu:

G-Nitro:

Zenverse:

TenTonHammer23:

So I guess I need to send my Mega Blocks Halo Wars figure I just got in the mail back cause it came in a plastic bag and not a box, right?  Point is, promo stuff has come in cheap packaging for years.  As long as I've been on this earth in fact.  Why complain now?

I'm just feeling bitter about it right now. Can't a girl feel bitter and cranky once and a while? :P

usually once a month for 3 to 5 days.

cwall420x replied on 10-08-2009 6:08 PM | Locked

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mafafu:

While I can understand the irritation of many, a few points:

1. It is free.
2. You assumed a full package where none was actually promised.
3. It is free.
4. If this is the only reason you bought GH5, Activision already won.
5. It is FREE.
6. This is only Van Roth, not even Van Hagar (though Roth is decidedly better)
7. It is FREE for *@*^'s sake.

Thank you and god bless.

You got that right.  I'm not terribly upset about the absence of Hagar...but having Wolfgang in there is f'ing retarded...

thguy123 replied on 10-08-2009 7:13 PM | Locked

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GIBBYVA:

thguy123:

GIBBYVA:

To the GH fanboy trashing Rock Band and saying how much a bargain the retail games over DLC is, I also like getting new retail version games with updated or new features but if someone wants to spend $60 on albums or packs from The Who/Boston/Foo Fighters/Chili Peppers versus a $60 GH title that has 10 of the 85 songs they actually like, how is that a better deal?

If you only liked ten you have a big issue with your taste in music...

That was an example, I said "they" but if counting for myself, there's 27 tracks I liked on GH5.

In the end, being able to import portions of Smash Hits & WT made the purchase fine for me though, regardless of the VH offer.

What is the better deal?

27 tracks you like + 57 you don't like and/or you will since you never heard it + a brand new engine with new features, and new characters + guitar hero Van Halen that includes 44 new songs, brand new game based around a band without the case and manual. Price? $60...

30 tracks you like + none extra you don't and/or you will  like since you never heard it + same old engine, no new features nothing improved, no new characters, + no free game, with no new songs, Oh, and you can't resell or trade  on goozex this DLC when you get tired of it, Sorry... Price? $60.

Honestly, what is the better the better deal. Throw your fanboyism out the window for a sec and in all honestly, what is the better deal?

Maskim replied on 10-08-2009 7:34 PM | Locked

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No, they didn't say a full package retail copy.  They said a Full Game, with a picture of the full package retail copy to illustrate.  Perhaps not a bait and switch, or false advertising, but it's still quite misleading.  The fact that it's free means nothing.  Supply what you've represented your product to be.

mafafu replied on 10-08-2009 7:38 PM | Locked

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Maskim:

No, they didn't say a full package retail copy.  They said a Full Game, with a picture of the full package retail copy to illustrate.  Perhaps not a bait and switch, or false advertising, but it's still quite misleading.  The fact that it's free means nothing.  Supply what you've represented your product to be.

By all means open a class action lawsuit.

GIBBYVA replied on 10-08-2009 8:28 PM | Locked

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thguy123:

What is the better deal?

27 tracks you like + 57 you don't like and/or you will since you never heard it + a brand new engine with new features, and new characters + guitar hero Van Halen that includes 44 new songs, brand new game based around a band without the case and manual. Price? $60...

30 tracks you like + none extra you don't and/or you will  like since you never heard it + same old engine, no new features nothing improved, no new characters, + no free game, with no new songs, Oh, and you can't resell or trade  on goozex this DLC when you get tired of it, Sorry... Price? $60.

 

Honestly, what is the better the better deal. Throw your fanboyism out the window for a sec and in all honestly, what is the better deal?

Where did I ever say GH5 wasn't a deal? For me it ended up being just fine, despite not liking as many tracks on the disc as I had in previous titles. I was stating that for someone who may have only liked 10 tracks, spending $60 on albums of their fav bands might be more appealing. You were acting like people who buy DLC are idiots.

I've bought every Guitar Hero and Rock Band console title on day one @ retail and aside from Smash Hits, never felt they were "bad deals". I like Smash Hits, but it wasn't worth $60 to me as it felt shallow. $45 would've been a better price point imo for that one. GH5 and RB:Beatles are both great games and were both "deals" for me.

I clearly stated I liked both franchises plus gave reasons why I like how they are a bit different in gameplay and your telling me to throw my fanboyism out the window? wtf? Just because you hate Rock Band and DLC doesn't mean everyone needs to agree. I'm sure there are people out there who can't stand Metallica or Van Halen so ... should they buy 30 songs they like that's not available on retail discs or buy a game with 45-50 tracks focused on a band they don't? whats the better deal?

thguy123:

I've played Rock Band and it is terrible. The problem is the gameplay, it is just too easy. There is virtually no notes and I can run through expert like it's nothing. The only "difficulty" it has is that it is harder to hit the notes, so it achieves in being easier then guitar hero because of less notes AND more frustrating because it is harder then it should be to hit the note. Only redeeming quality is the DLC, but why would you want DLC when you can get a new game for $60... Think about it 85 songs for $170 or 85 songs for $60 dollars... Only people that like rock band are idiots who can't do math and think activision is ripping them off when in fact harmonix is, or people that suck at guitar hero and want it to be easier

Maskim replied on 10-08-2009 9:00 PM | Locked

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mafafu:

Maskim:

No, they didn't say a full package retail copy.  They said a Full Game, with a picture of the full package retail copy to illustrate.  Perhaps not a bait and switch, or false advertising, but it's still quite misleading.  The fact that it's free means nothing.  Supply what you've represented your product to be.

By all means open a class action lawsuit.

I'm going through some personal issues and stress at the moment, so rather than misdirecting my ire, I'm going to let that snarky little tidbit slide. 

thguy123 replied on 10-09-2009 2:45 PM | Locked

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GIBBYVA:

I'm sure there are people out there who can't stand Metallica or Van Halen so ... should they buy 30 songs they like that's not available on retail discs or buy a game with 45-50 tracks focused on a band they don't? whats the better deal?

To be honest I think guitar hero would be the better deal. I freakin' love the beatles, I promised never to buy a rock band game again, but when I heard about the beatles I knew I HAD to buy it. Then, I heard it is only the beatles songs. I'm going to be honest, I'm not paying $60 for a game without variety, as much as I love the band having just one band's song with no other similair bands was a dumb move.

As for te fact of getting the songs on the disk you like, even if you only liked 15 songs it would be a good deal. Just wait a few months for a sale going down to $30. Any other "Brilliant" Ideas?

GIBBYVA replied on 10-09-2009 2:57 PM | Locked

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thguy123:

To be honest I think guitar hero would be the better deal. I freakin' love the beatles, I promised never to buy a rock band game again, but when I heard about the beatles I knew I HAD to buy it. Then, I heard it is only the beatles songs. I'm going to be honest, I'm not paying $60 for a game without variety, as much as I love the band having just one band's song with no other similair bands was a dumb move.

When the industry-tracking NPD Group reveals its September US retail sales figures next week, Pachter expects The Beatles: Rock Band to have racked up 1.3 million sales across all versions, with Guitar Hero 5 moving 700,000 copies.

mikehogl replied on 10-09-2009 3:06 PM | Locked

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thguy123:

Then, I heard it is only the beatles songs. I'm going to be honest, I'm not paying $60 for a game without variety, as much as I love the band having just one band's song with no other similair bands was a dumb move.

This version has the variety you want. 

Do you actually have friends in real life?  I can't imagine so.

BuryMe replied on 10-09-2009 3:06 PM | Locked

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cwall420x:

Mechazawa005:

Free is still free - it was a solid promo to give away VH with GH5.

Still tho - WTH Activision, you guys couldn't spare $0.50 for an actual plastic case and booklet? 

Exactly what I was thinking...

When you multiply that by a million copies, it gets to be pretty expensive

Mechazawa005 replied on 10-09-2009 4:28 PM | Locked

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BuryMe:

cwall420x:

Mechazawa005:

Free is still free - it was a solid promo to give away VH with GH5.

Still tho - WTH Activision, you guys couldn't spare $0.50 for an actual plastic case and booklet? 

Exactly what I was thinking...

When you multiply that by a million copies, it gets to be pretty expensive

True, there is a savings when you spread that over every copy of GH:VH given out free with GH5.  The savings was very secondary to trying to spike GH5 sales and somewhat restrict secondary market sales of the free GH:VH copy.

I don't mind staying 6 months to a year behind the curve on new GH or RB releases - especially with 4-5 GH games coming out in a year.  I didn't buy GH5 and have no stake in the free copy of GH:VH.  That said, I can't blame those that are a little miffed about getting a promo copy of GH:VH without a full case or manual - based on the promo they ran, it seemed like you would get a full retail copy with everything included. 

Not really a bait and switch kind of move, but the ambiguity of the promo details by Activision left alot of people with expectations that were not met.

It would be like someone telling you that you were getting a free car only to find out when you go to pick it up that there are no seats and the doors were missing.  Is it still a free car?  Sure.  Did you expect something different when you were told you were getting a free car?  Absolutely.

Let people vent and keep the details in mind the next time Activision runs a promo or if you're on the fence about buying one of their new games.

thguy123 replied on 10-09-2009 5:21 PM | Locked

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mikehogl:

thguy123:

Then, I heard it is only the beatles songs. I'm going to be honest, I'm not paying $60 for a game without variety, as much as I love the band having just one band's song with no other similair bands was a dumb move.

This version has the variety you want. 

Do you actually have friends in real life?  I can't imagine so.

No, that version has crap songs, I mean really, the jonas brothers? Also, the choice of songs is ridiculus. I may be looking at it wrong but that seems to parodize the guitar hero name. Seems to me you are a fanboy, that is nothing like what the guitar hero version would be, that is a harmonix fanboys invision.

As for the friend issue, I actually have quite a few friends in real life. I have a lot of people I hang out with, but I only keep about ten friends super close, I'm not a very trusting guy. It seems to me like you wouldn't have friends in real life though, insulting people isn't going to make you friends ya know... See, I generally treat people online like complete a**holes. I never respect people's opinion. In real life I treat people with plenty of respect. Problem with the internet is no-one respects your opinion. For example, I posted the reason why I don't like harmonix's rockband games. Instead of people saying, "Oh, I understand where your coming from, I can see why you like guitar hero games. For me though, I don't care about difficulty because I play for the games music, considering I generally play it as a party game it is better to have them all on one disk, even if it does cost more money, but, yeah I can see where you are coming from, If I played it for the difficulty, and I didn't use it as a party game. I'd feel the same way" That's a perfect example of a response you'd get in real life. On the internet you have people flaming you for having a different opinion. I never go right out and bash someone inless they bash me. But, because no-one an respect my opnion, why in the hell should I respect theirs.

So yeah, if it wasn't for you not respecing my opinion. Then I would respect yours, but with posts leading toward a link ment to parodize the guitar hero name followed by a "Do you have any friends statement" Doesn't lead me towards wanting to respect your opinion at all. At least with the other guy he gave a reasonable reason for perferring Rock Band games, I would have respected his opinion and treated him as I do in real life. But, in real life people are nicer and actually respect your opinion along with giving theirs (I don't hang out with a**holes but there are a few people that are like that, and I treat them the same way I do here, I don't respect there opinion at ALL).

thguy123 replied on 10-09-2009 5:26 PM | Locked

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Mechazawa005:

BuryMe:

cwall420x:

Mechazawa005:

Free is still free - it was a solid promo to give away VH with GH5.

Still tho - WTH Activision, you guys couldn't spare $0.50 for an actual plastic case and booklet? 

Exactly what I was thinking...

When you multiply that by a million copies, it gets to be pretty expensive

 

It would be like someone telling you that you were getting a free car only to find out when you go to pick it up that there are no seats and the doors were missing.  Is it still a free car?  Sure.  Did you expect something different when you were told you were getting a free car?  Absolutely.

 

That's wrong, it's more like buying a car without the manual and you don't get a free garage.

Garage = Case (Place where you hold both objects.)

Manual = Manual (Both tell you the ins and outs you could figure out anyway.)

Don't forget to mention you get that car for free with a car and manual and also included is a garage ment to fit one car. Thats a better analagy...

Mechazawa005 replied on 10-09-2009 5:48 PM | Locked

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thguy123:

Mechazawa005:

BuryMe:

cwall420x:

Mechazawa005:

Free is still free - it was a solid promo to give away VH with GH5.

Still tho - WTH Activision, you guys couldn't spare $0.50 for an actual plastic case and booklet? 

Exactly what I was thinking...

When you multiply that by a million copies, it gets to be pretty expensive

 

It would be like someone telling you that you were getting a free car only to find out when you go to pick it up that there are no seats and the doors were missing.  Is it still a free car?  Sure.  Did you expect something different when you were told you were getting a free car?  Absolutely.

 

That's wrong, it's more like buying a car without the manual and you don't get a free garage.

Garage = Case (Place where you hold both objects.)

Manual = Manual (Both tell you the ins and outs you could figure out anyway.)

Don't forget to mention you get that car for free with a car and manual and also included is a garage ment to fit one car. Thats a better analagy...

No analogy is going to be perfect (I think every analogy used in this thread has been dissected and deemed inaccurate). The garage and manual for a car wouldn't be necessarily expected (especially the garage) if someone was told they were getting a free car - so that may be am even worse analogy.

The point I was trying to make with my full post is that consumers had certain expectations from the promo and while they did get a usable product - it wasn't what many had expected.

Between people jumping to a natural conclusion based on the information provided and Activision not being entirely up front about exactly what was to be given out with the free copy of GH:VH there are going to be people who feel like the deal was misrepresented. 

Free is still free, so if you were planning on buying, keeping and playing the hell out of both games it was still an awesome deal.  For everyone else, I understand why they may feel like they were somewhat misled.