Make Gears of War 2: Game of the Year Edition untradable?

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mafafu replied on 09-24-2009 12:51 PM

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joshmrc:

mikehogl:

joshmrc:

is fallout 3 GOTY going to be the same way as this  

From what I heard, I do not believe so.

so content is on disk not DL key

Bethesda usually puts their GOTY extra content on a second disc.

I also tend to agree that DLC should not be required to trade this game. If people want this game with the DLC, let them buy through the upcoming Goozex Exchange (if you want them to stay in the system) or some other retail environment. This is going to open up a customer service can of worms of unholy proportions.

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JoeCamNet replied on 09-24-2009 12:57 PM

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I agree that in 99% of the cases, a one time use DLC code should not be required, such as with the Rock Band track packs, or even the single use DLC codes on the special edition of Gears 2.  But with the game of the year, all the extra advertised content is ONLY that code.  If people don't care about the extra content, they should be getting the original release for cheaper, but I guarantee that if somebody is requesting the GotY edition, it's FOR that content and that's where the users have to be protected.

It seems like some people are getting butt-hurt because they can't get the game, keep the DLC and flip it for 300 more points than they deserve for sending just the original Gears 2 game.
This should be about protecting the users who don't know better, not the people who know everything and want to take advantage of others.  Not that I'm saying that's what everybody would do, but put yourself in somebody else's shoes.
I think that with how digital distribution is going, we need to look at cases like this more often.  If a game is re-released with bonus content and the only difference from the initial retail release is a download, then we need to make sure that users are protected from getting ripped off.

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cheeznrice replied on 09-24-2009 1:30 PM

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mafafu:

I also tend to agree that DLC should not be required to trade this game. If people want this game with the DLC, let them buy through the upcoming Goozex Exchange (if you want them to stay in the system) or some other retail environment. This is going to open up a customer service can of worms of unholy proportions.

I completely agree.

The FAQ states DLC does not need to be included in 100% of the trades.  Why would you take this stance on DLC and then completely contradict it?

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Zenverse replied on 09-24-2009 1:46 PM

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A video of the unboxing. 

Looks to me that it is exactly the same game which probably means the same UPC except that it has a slip cover with a different UPC and the DLC is just inside the slip cover. Ok i didn't watch it all the way through but just for you guys to decide.

Edit: Actually, I think my original assumption was correct because I think the original Gears 2 game came with the Flashback Map pack inside it.

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mafafu replied on 09-24-2009 1:54 PM

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JoeCamNet:

If people don't care about the extra content, they should be getting the original release for cheaper, but I guarantee that if somebody is requesting the GotY edition, it's FOR that content and that's where the users have to be protected.

They have to be protected from their own stupidity? We don't protect chuckleheads who trade for a PC game they can't run. We don't protect chuckleheads who trade for non-BC xbox games. Why should protect people who can not research what they want?

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Hexpane replied on 09-24-2009 2:36 PM

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cheeznrice:

The FAQ states DLC does not need to be included in 100% of the trades.

That's all we need. 

Example:

NCAA Football 10 - standard version comes w/ 10 free DLC code

There is no 'special version" how do you deal with this if someone has DLC unused and someone else has used DLC?

The obvious answer is to stick w/.

"DLC code not required for any trade"

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JoeCamNet replied on 09-24-2009 3:31 PM

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mafafu:

They have to be protected from their own stupidity?

How many people, before I posted this thread, thought the added content was on a second disc?  I sure did.
Just because somebody doesn't know the extra content is a one time use code doesn't mean they're stupid and that's a pretty rude thing to say.

THE ENTIRE POINT of this "Game of the Year" release is that added content.  Otherwise it's the same exact thing as the original retail release.  If somebody trades the game without the DLC, they should be required to list it as the original retail release.  I know if I got just the game and not the DLC, I'd fight that I got the wrong game.  The game of the year's only purpose is that added content.

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Black Fox Zulu replied on 09-24-2009 3:39 PM

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Personally I agree with some of the others here.  Game codes are tricky and I don't think they should be required as it is a used game trading site.

Perhaps a seperate listing for the code ala XBL games?  This way it gives value to the code if someone wants to trade it instead of ebaying it.  Also, ALL codes are not included with games, and people can unload extra codes if they wish.  Not the easiest  system to implent, but levels the playing field a bit.

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mafafu replied on 09-24-2009 3:44 PM

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JoeCamNet:

How many people, before I posted this thread, thought the added content was on a second disc?  I sure did.
Just because somebody doesn't know the extra content is a one time use code doesn't mean they're stupid and that's a pretty rude thing to say.

How, may I ask did you find out? Did you possibly do some research? What a novel freaking idea. Research something before you buy or trade for it. As mentioned previously by countless users, anyone expecting a DLC code from a used game site/store is foolhardy at best.

But go celebrate, you already got Goozex to bastardize their rules on DLC.

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Kenny007 replied on 09-24-2009 4:01 PM

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I'm with Joe on this.  While I don't think there should be a change in the DLC rules (IE: None are required), nor should there be this point-padding loophole to allow a trader to list what is essentially just GOW2 as an enhanced GOTY edition once the code is gone.  This is in the same vein as someone listing a game that has a bundle and game only listing within the Bundle listing as DO or D+M in an effort to score a few hundred free points by keeping the guitar/drums/bluetooth headset/wiimote/etc and sending just the game.

I don't think making a special consideration for one title is the right move though; it'll get confusing.  Either

-  make a (Unused) GOW2 listing and allow it to score additional points (allows for flippers sending new games [or just games with unused codes])

-  clearly state that the code is not required with this game, that it is a mere bonus if you get it, and lower its price point to equal that of the standard version.

Apparently there are some who were unaware of this one time use content that is otherwise advertised to come with the game, and while I can't speak for everyone, I'd be pissed to have paid an additional 300 points for a mere slipcover (which may people often neglect to send anyways!).

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mafafu replied on 09-24-2009 4:06 PM

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Kenny007:

-  clearly state that the code is not required with this game, that it is a mere bonus if you get it, and lower its price point to equal that of the standard version.

This makes the most sense if they want to stay consistent with their FAQ.

Kenny007:

Apparently there are some who were unaware of this one time use content that is otherwise advertised to come with the game, and while I can't speak for everyone, I'd be pissed to have paid an additional 300 points for a mere slipcover (which may people often neglect to send anyways!).

It is a freaking sweet looking slipcover though.

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Zenverse replied on 09-24-2009 4:19 PM

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Kenny007:

I'm with Joe on this.  While I don't think there should be a change in the DLC rules (IE: None are required), nor should there be this point-padding loophole to allow a trader to list what is essentially just GOW2 as an enhanced GOTY edition once the code is gone.  This is in the same vein as someone listing a game that has a bundle and game only listing within the Bundle listing as DO or D+M in an effort to score a few hundred free points by keeping the guitar/drums/bluetooth headset/wiimote/etc and sending just the game.

I don't think making a special consideration for one title is the right move though; it'll get confusing.  Either

-  make a (Unused) GOW2 listing and allow it to score additional points (allows for flippers sending new games [or just games with unused codes])

-  clearly state that the code is not required with this game, that it is a mere bonus if you get it, and lower its price point to equal that of the standard version.

Apparently there are some who were unaware of this one time use content that is otherwise advertised to come with the game, and while I can't speak for everyone, I'd be pissed to have paid an additional 300 points for a mere slipcover (which may people often neglect to send anyways!).

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JoeCamNet replied on 09-24-2009 4:46 PM

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Alright, I went and did my homework on this.
First off, a picture.

(Picture is too large for a direct post, click the text above)

That is a picture of the UPC codes on the slipcover and the actual game case.  Note that they are different.  The UPC on the actual game case, as well as the artwork and everything else) is EXACTLY the same as the original retail release.  The ONLY difference between the original retail release and the Game of the Year release is the added DLC code and a slipcover.  Even the slipcover promotes the added content.

Second, I asked the GameStop I went to, as well as a second store and I called two others to ask that if I bought the Game of the Year edition and went to trade it in but I already used the DLC code, what would they do.  Every single store said they would only take it as the standard Gears of War 2 because it's not the Game of the Year edition without the added content.

I'm not trying to change how all games are treated in regards to one time use codes, but when that code is the only thing separating it from the original retail release, I think it's a special circumstance that needs to be handled.
And mafafu, I gotta say I'm incredibly disappointed with your attitude towards me.  I'm looking to help out and protect users who may not know better and you're acting like a real d*** towards me.  Not appreciated at all.
If it turns out that everything here is overturned and the code isn't required as a full package, whatever.   I'll be sure to shut my f**king mouth and not try to help out or speak up again in the future.  Seems like every time I speak up on an issue, I only cause problems.  Maybe I should go back to staying away from this place a bit more.  I'm done with this subject.  I said my piece and whatever happens happens.  I have faith that the people in charge here will do the right thing and protect their users, no matter how stupid mafafu thinks some of us are.

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Phrozenspite replied on 09-24-2009 4:50 PM

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Nitro would you support having GOTY edition priced exactly the same as the regular version than since users aren't supposed to expect anything different?

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G-Nitro replied on 09-24-2009 4:54 PM

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But you guys are missing the entire point. it is an entirely different listing that came out at a price point. You are paying for a different UPC code, even if it is the same game. Goozex can A) Correct the pricing or B) continue to bow down to cry babies who expect unused DLC codes one a freaking used game trading site. 

What about this site dealing with USED items do you not understand in your thick ass skulls. Wake up. Go buy the stupid game brand new, get your unused code, and quit your whining.