Disc + Case: Fourth Shipping Level / Option (Poll and Ideas)

Put me down for this. I have one game on my offer sheet, with a box, but no manuel. It's been sitting for awhile, and maybe having a box+game option would get it moving.

quote user: pugmagician

I don't dispute that fact, however most of the people will value the manual over the case which is the main reason I say that case should be above disc only. I really don't give a damn anyways where it sits in there though, if people want the case they'll request the case and if people want the manual they'll request the manual regardless where it sits.

I disagree I would rather have disc,case and artwork more that the manual. It sucks to have a bunch of blank black cases siting on my shelf with my other games, and when I want to find one of my games in the black case I have to look threw all of them to find the game I want to play.

 

It sucks even more that this terrible topic was dug up again...

Add it!

Clearly, if it keeps getting brought up there are plenty of us who don't feel it's a terrible topic.

Are you saying that my opinions are not important? Or my suggestions are not as valid as some others? Or this topic has been resolved in a satisfactory way for the majority? Or are you saying that we (the members of Goozex) should not have opinions or make suggestions; and either use the service as offered by the developers or not use it at all? Or would you perfer a community of mindless sheep (just as long as they paid for the service)?

 

cheeznrice:

Who determines where it should fall in the matrix?

I think Disc+Manual is > than Disc+Case

 

I agree with this. I would prefer the documentation over a plastic case with pretty colors, I'm a player not a collector...

 

smkymtnkid:

cheeznrice:

Who determines where it should fall in the matrix?

I think Disc+Manual is > than Disc+Case

 

I agree with this. I would prefer the documentation over a plastic case with pretty colors, I'm a player not a collector...

 

Facepalm.  Read the thread.

Eyepoke. Read it, all 7 pages.

smkymtnkid:

Eyepoke. Read it, all 7 pages.

It took you four hours!!

 

dtp11:

Let's use a Wii game as an example, a manual costs $2.00 to replace on Nintendo.com, however, a case costs $1.50 and the cover art is not available, and is therefore irreplaceable (unless you go buy/request another (full package) game and steal it's cover art, which wouldn't make any sense at all)!  Or you could buy the cover art somewhere on the internet, but it would cost you more than $0.49 cents.  Therefore, the case and cover art are more valuable than just the manual.

Plus you can't "look up" a case online (like you can an instruction manual)!  You want a case to store your game in and keep it safe, or so that your games look nice on the shelf etc... looking at a picture of a case online isn't going to solve those problems.  Most people who want a manual want it to read (or to have for collection purposes/resale value).  For the first part, you can look that up online and it will solve your problem.

 

That is a very good point I didn't consider, however, as others have said, it would be exclusive and not prioritized (it would be up to the user to determine what they want).

I think Disc + Case option would be much less complicated, as I think especially new users may not know how to list their Disc + Case items.  Listing as Disc only isn't fair, since a case does add value.

Thanks for post (and linking to it in another thread)

RobAndDiana:

That is a very good point I didn't consider, however, as others have said, it would be exclusive and not prioritized (it would be up to the user to determine what they want).

Yes, I believe if you read the discussion afterwards, it was determined they would be mutually exclusive and I edited my OP.  But, thanks - I guess it was/is a good point!

RobAndDiana:

Thanks for post (and linking to it in another thread)

No problem, I’ve been doing that a lot lately for some reason!

RobAndDiana:

I think Disc + Case option would be much less complicated, as I think especially new users may not know how to list their Disc + Case items.  Listing as Disc only isn't fair, since a case does add value.

I hope you voted!   Looks like you might have as it was sitting at  arounf 69.7% support last time I checked and I was hoping it would go above 70%!  Well I guess it was above 70% if you include the second 'Yes' option!  But it's 70% on its own now, so it's all good!

What baffles me is how (supposedly) 21% of people actually think it would DEFINITELY make things too complicated AND/or NEVER have ANY games that are missing a manual and/or would NEVER want any!

dtp11:

 

What baffles me is how (supposedly) 21% of people actually think it would DEFINITELY make things too complicated AND/or NEVER have ANY games that are missing a manual and/or would NEVER want any!

Being in that 21%, I'll justify my position. 

First, I do in fact NOT have any games that are missing a manual that I could not list as Disc Only.  Given, everyone has that option to list under, but the whole point of this thread is to allow them to point out 'BUT I HAS THE CASE!!!', so I'll ignore it temporarily, but in my case, the games I'm missing the manual for are almost always PC games, which don't have the case either, and to-the-letter fall under DO listings, a condition which is more common and accepted in the PC realm of Goozex.  Any game that came in a modern day DVD style case (PC or console) in my collection is fully stocked, so yes, I have no games that are missing a manual, and I imagine many others keep good care and track of their library as well.

In addition, I'll seldom if ever ask for anything less than FP, as the resale value plummets too low in many cases to warrant bothering with any less.  While the usefulness of the manual can be debated forever, its use in signifying a full package upon resale cannot be ignored, and everyone can benefit from its inclusion, whether they'll read it or not.  I accept lesser forms of games when A) they're cheap and B) I don't intend on getting rid of them.  Those instances are pretty rare for me.  Therefore, in my case, and apparently 20+% others, most listing that fall under anything less than FP can be overlooked, and additions are just needless baggage.

The biggest issue though is the additional compliaction of Goozex with its addition.  I don't maintain the Goozex matrix so I can't speak for them, but the mere addition of another condition should exponentially increase the load on the matchup system, which I'm pretty sure they HAVE mentioned before.  It's not simply ONE more possible condition that Goozex has to deal with, but a slew of additional combinations to deal with, not to mention all the IF/THEN statements that are probably involved with determining what condition ranks over what.  Further complicating matters still would be any method that would allow for a level middle ground of D+C and D+M, forcing the system to not only find you a trader matchup, but then determine via your settings just how you feel about the DC/DM controversy, adjust accordingly, and then continue its search.

One additional side concern would be that with the inclusion of DC, there'd be even LESS of a reason to have anyone opt for requesting DO.  With DC on the playing field, who's really going to want to settle for something that others may at least have the case for?  If that DO lister can't even state that they have the case, what condition could it possibly be in?  Further still, with the DO listing becoming even less attractive, DO listers may try to sneak their way into DC listings by just using a similar case and possibly printing cover art (it's easier to replicate cover art than a DVD Case sized manual), leading to further possible complaints.

 

Simply put, I just don't see the need for it currently.  People already seem to have a hard enough time listing things properly, and adding more options might further add to the frustration.  FP is by far the most common requested form, and adding even more under it seems like a wasted effort, if not entirely unnecessary.

This is why it's more complicated then it may first seem in the surface. It is a tiered structure. When the system makes matches it can match higher in the tier but not lower. For instance, just for the sake of this example, let's say I am requesting a game as game+manual. My turn comes up. If the next offer in line is for game+manual or full package the system can make a match because all requirements are met. However it cannot move down a tier to disk only. The problem is we all have different opinions as to where in that tier structure a game+case should fall. Spot # 2 or 3. I believe all our opinions are valid on this matter but the fact that they differ so much is what really complicates things...

MORE THAN 3 IS CONFUSING?

HOW ABOUT USING THE STANDARD 3 OPTIONS AND A 4TH OPTION AS OTHER?

OTHER COULD BE ANY COMBO AS LONG AS IT INCLUDES THE DISC...