Points Cap Increase to 1200 - Coming Soon

gti443:

With regard to txa's numbers: The sheer fact of the matter is that this isn't really the season for big name new releases... Blockbusters from a couple months ago like Resident Evil 4 are moving reasonably steadily... older scarce games like Left 4 Dead or Little Big Planet might go up in price immediately, but for all the numbers, the 40%, the 0.07, it's not really clear what is going to happen when Ghostbusters comes out, when CoD: Modern Warfare 2 comes out, or when the obvious barrage of pre-Christmas blockbuster releases comes out. It's great to say it won't affect hardly anything right now... but what kind of a barometer is that, really?

That was an assessment based on looking at the overall total of games along with BlackCoyote's numbers which were based on an earlier analysis ... and when you think about it, the number of 'top point games' should hold fairly steady over time ... or at least csale based on users and supply/demand.

gti443:

Makes buying points kind of worthless, in the grand scheme of things.

You're doin' it wrong!

 

Well I feel like my points just got devalued. I think everyone should receive a 10% increase in current point value to make up for the fact new games are now more expensive.

And while we're on the subject why are XBLA games given such high trade in values, 800-900 points in some cases for games that are 15$, compare that too a COD4 or such and they just seem to be price far to high.

1 last thing I would really like to be able to spend my points on the european site, I have a nephew in the U.K that I would like to send games too, but because a lot of games are region encoded it's just not practical.

 

GIBBYVA:

So you put a "winky face" behind one comment. That doesn't redeem the fact that you've treated just about everyone else's comments and opinions against this point change that doesn't align with your views with disrespect. Calling them foolish and posting comments like.

In your example, you said that one comment about when kevlar would admit he was wrong was distasteful.  So I told you it was a joke (that you obviously didn't get) and you've got nothing, so you reply by stating that I am supposedly calling almost everyone who is against the cap foolish?  I'm not intending to treat people with disrespect, it's just a little worrysome thinking that there are some who actually think this will cause an overall negative effect on Goozex.

GIBBYVA:

I don't see people saying this is a "bad thing", only pointing out possible bad side effects this whole change may cause. No system is ever going to be perfect and you are naive if you think this one will be.

Did I say people were calling it a bad thing? No. I said I haven't heard a valid explanation as to why it is a bad thing. But since you mentioned it, what do you call this?:

kingofoldschool:

I don't think this will be a wise move honestly.

...it sucks for people who want the game but don't want to spend an x amount of points on it...

...I think it will drive more people away than anything...

...all this will do is probably keep me from requesting more games...

G-Nitro:

...I will seriously consider leaving the site...

...I'm sure I am not the only person who will give major thought into leaving this service...

...I think its ridiculous to raise the cap...

Jeff...:

This is a really stupid move...

Thanks for making the slow as hell trades even slower.

WILTRON:

I've got a bad feeling about this...

...I don't like it one bit...

Kinmar:

The only other problem I see is the possibilty of this driving members (and their games) away from the site. Less games in the system is always a bad thing.

larpi:

...I dont thnk this is right...

...Im sure that this difference will make some members think about moving their business elsewhere and its a shame becaus its an unneeeded change...

DrFuzz:

...this isn't very good at all for new games...

VICVANCE2011:

I really don't see this as a necessary step...

...I feel that this will probably turn off a few users(myself included)...

...going to be a serious turn off...

...Personally, I feel like this is a kick in the pants and I probably won't trade much more on here if this actually goes through.

So none of the above people are thinking or saying it is going to be a bad thing?  Or it doesn't count because they didn't use those exact words?

GIBBYVA:

People have already mentioned that some sellers won't even trade out new releases anymore because they have such a huge surplus of points built up. What makes you think that this will change? If someone is sitting on 50k points, they are not gonna keep pumping new releases into the system because the cap has raised 200 more points.

This increase will help new users, or users with depleted points the most. Not the whole community since people with stockpiles will unlikely change their trading practices at all. Meaning, I doubt we are going to see this huge influx of new titles being readily available.

SOME may, but not very many at all. And one of those people is me and I still send out new release games.  Take a look at the poll I linked... based on that, it looks to me like half (and most-likely much, much more that half) of Goozers have less than 1200 points.  So even though it we won't see a huge influx (I didn't say that we would), I'm confident that we will still see an increase.

GIBBYVA:

The best thing about this whole change will be if the algorithm system works more efficiently, which seems to be the primary focus. If that works then thats awesome at THAT will help the whole community.

+1 to that, but even if it doesn't, the increase will still be good.

GIBBYVA:

... who is "we've", it should read "I've". Just because this all sounds good in theory, doesn't make it so. You can't determine the outcome on this because it has such random factors involved. If you want to boast and say how you were right three months from now, should the system work like you think it will, then that's great... I'll clap for you while your tooting your own horn, np

"We've" is all of the people who have realized (after reading the comments that actually make sense in this thread) that the point cap increase is a good thing, based on safe and common sense assumptions.  Of course we can never be 100% sure, but there is a difference between an uneducated and educated guess/assumption.

I've actually purchased quite a few points right from Goozex, and I do relate it to 100 points = $5 myself because of that. I don't have a problem with the raise in the price cap at all though, part of it might be becuause for the most part I mainly request games less than 500 points. I do have some 1000 point wanted games on my list, but they are all because of rarity, and I'm willing to pay the 1200 points on them instead because that's still a steal on games like Suikoden II and Brigandine.

So....you mean Red Dead Redemption is gonna be 1200 points when it comes out in the fall and I just bought a 200 point game that I really didn't care about to give to a friend for free so that I now only have 1000 points and not the max # of points guaranteeing me a copy of it?

Ok, since Red Dead Redemption comes out in the fall, I'll have a bit of time to save up (if my trades go out a bit quicker than as of late) so that was a bit of an exaggeration.  But what about similar situations with other gamers expecting to get a new release that comes out sooner because they have just enough (1000 points) to cover it?

Points just don't grow on trees for some of us!

My biggest concerns boil down to this: I hope the point increase is handled "intelligently" game by game (only .07% remember?) by real people and not some algorithm that will screw us over when we search out the rare exceptions.

Edit: Oh, and stop with the quoting already!  Come up with your own ideas to say!  Enough flamewar fodder!  (someone's probably gonna quote this soon lol)

oh yeah and here are some faces for good measure:

dtp11:

"We've" is all of the people who have realized (after reading the comments that actually make sense in this thread) that the point cap increase is a good thing, based on safe and common sense assumptions.  Of course we can never be 100% sure, but there is a difference between an uneducated and educated guess/assumption.

So people who don't agree with you have no common sense and make uneducated guesses? Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe YOU have no common sense and are making an uneducated guess? Basically, this is a matter of whether you buy or sell the 1200 point games. Its obviously going to please one group more than the other. Just some food for thought.

Like I said earlier, this could go either way, but I don't like the looks of it.

ETA: From the partial quotes you give, things can be construed however you want them to seem. For instance, where you quoted me, I never said it was going to be a bad thing. I simply said that I felt it would hurt the little guys. If you hadn't done partial quotes, half of what you quoted wouldn't seem so bad.

I'm willing to wait this out and see how the point cap increase really effects the system. 

My only beef I've had with the G-Team has been the 50% off points promos.  That's what I would consider a "money grab" as it not only puts $$ in to the Goozex coffers but leaves the system unbalanced with users grabbing games with these "empty" points.  Leaving users that actually trade games with longer lines (probably not significantly) and less games in the system overall.

For high demand games, like L4D, I wouldn't mind if the price was a bit higher to alleviate demand and increase possible supply from people.  To be honest, I sold my copy of L4D and bought 2 games I found on sale with the money and traded those on Goozex for 1,600 points total.  Now, if the points cap had been at 1,200 a week ago, I may have been more likely to trade it.

This has it's fair share of pro's and con's but I think this won't even be a discussion in a few weeks.

VICVANCE2011:

So people who don't agree with you have no common sense and make uneducated guesses? Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe YOU have no common sense and are making an uneducated guess? Basically, this is a matter of whether you buy or sell the 1200 point games. Its obviously going to please one group more than the other. Just some food for thought.

Like I said earlier, this could go either way, but I don't like the looks of it.

ETA: From the partial quotes you give, things can be construed however you want them to seem. For instance, where you quoted me, I never said it was going to be a bad thing. I simply said that I felt it would hurt the little guys. If you hadn't done partial quotes, half of what you quoted wouldn't seem so bad.

Did I say that people who don't agree with me have no common sense?  No.  I said in this particular case, those who think that this will be a bad thing (overall) are not (or certainly don't appear to be) using common sense.

As for the partial quotes, I didn't say you said it was going to be a bad thing.  Stop putting words into my mouth.  I asked if he was sure none of the people I quoted sounded like they thought it would be a bad thing.  And based on one or more of your quotes, that's the way it seemed like you felt.

And since when is it going to be any better for sellers than it is for buyers (of 1000/1200-point games)?  I'm sure lots of those buyers are just as happy because they can get games at 1200 points that sellers weren't offering at the 1000 point cap. And I'd say the majority of those buyers/sellers are both buyers AND sellers.  So how can you divide it into groups like that?  Even if it pleases one "group" more than the other, it that just means one group will be extremely please and the other really, really pleased!

How can this hurt the little guys?  There are the rare exceptions with those who saved up for a 1000 point game and now have to earn another 200 or just wait until the game drops back down to 1000.  That's only going to happen to a handful of people.  Goozex can't just stop improving the site because it might inconvenience a few people temporarily.  Sometimes you have to sacrifice something small initially to gain something much greater in the end.

I'm having a hard time figuring out how there can be people who don't like this.  You'd swear some people are just afraid of change or think that all change is bad.  There IS such thing as change for the better.

Yay for inflation in the middle of a recession!

It seems that this is a debate to be put off for awhile. Maybe we should all just wait and see what happens. Who knows, maybe the rest of the game prices will straighten out too. Then it might not be such a big deal.

I'm new to the site but I found it quite odd that Dead Space a game that is 6 months old is 1000 points while a game like Killzone 2 released 2 months ago is 1000 points.  

Does nobody find this odd that some new and older releases are priced the same?