Swapping trade credits for points

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KTrader05 replied on 02-27-2009 4:43 PM

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Don't even bother trying to explain this to these people, they're never going to understand how business works or be able to see valid reasons beyond "OMG I WANTZ IT S0 IT SHULD WORK".

They're ignorant, always going to be ignorant, and aren't willing to learn why because they've made themselves angry.

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Feely replied on 02-27-2009 11:20 PM

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klip_twings:

minimall:

I see now, goozex can't turn a profit from it so its completely out of the question, nevermind the fact that most people who would do it have referred oodles of active members.  Got it

 

Hrrm, I detect a hint of sarcasm here in the idea that it's "completely out of the question" because "goozex can't turn a profit from it.... nevermind the fact that most people who would do it have referred oodles of active members" and thus give goozex oodles of profit.

I think you're missing the bigger point: most of the people who would actually do this probably wouldn't be honest souls like yourself, but would probably be scammers working the system for a ton of free games.  It would be an incredibly easy loophole for scammers to exploit.

Hey man, there is no room here for your "logic"  Sure what you said is insightful, well thought out, and, most importantly, correct, but you can check that bogus jargen at the door.

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naytk replied on 02-27-2009 11:30 PM

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Mind if I take a crack at this one?

Goozex has to make money.  Two ways that they do that:  advertising (very little money) and selling trade credits.  If they choose not to accept points as tender for trade credits (since points don't pay mortgages or buy food), that's their choice. 

Personally, I think its the right one.  There is a difference between:

1.  Offering an incentive that helps drive their income (free trade credit for referrals) and builds their business because a number of those people will eventually purchase trade credits, and

2.  Just letting everybody pay for credits with points (there are quite a few very active traders here that would always trade for free in that case, costing Goozex a lot of income)

That's not to say that the Goozex system is flawless, but I don't think that this should be changed.  $1 to trade a game is not unreasonable.

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I-Weapon-X replied on 02-28-2009 1:24 AM

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naytk:

Goozex has to make money.  Two ways that they do that:

Actually 3; i hear that NinjaJ pimps out Kevlar51; with cheez being the biggest client

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spamineggs replied on 03-11-2009 1:43 AM

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naytk:

Mind if I take a crack at this one?

Goozex has to make money.  Two ways that they do that:  advertising (very little money) and selling trade credits.  If they choose not to accept points as tender for trade credits (since points don't pay mortgages or buy food), that's their choice. 

Personally, I think its the right one.  There is a difference between:

1.  Offering an incentive that helps drive their income (free trade credit for referrals) and builds their business because a number of those people will eventually purchase trade credits, and

2.  Just letting everybody pay for credits with points (there are quite a few very active traders here that would always trade for free in that case, costing Goozex a lot of income)

That's not to say that the Goozex system is flawless, but I don't think that this should be changed.  $1 to trade a game is not unreasonable.

 

 I'm confuzzled by this one... I thought the original post was about turning your trade credits into points...

 I think it would be cool to offer up some points to "buy" a trade credit or two. I'm sitting on quite a few points that I wouldn't mind giving points for credits, seeing as I'm out at the moment and can't buy any credits yet. like 100points could be like 1 or 2 trade credits. eventually you would need to buy either points or TCs. I don't mind the system as it it, if it weren't for goozex, I'd still be going to my local gamestops and buying used games only to return them to a different GameStop before 7 days are up (free rental system that they haven't caught on to yet). either way, I love Goozex and am trying to share the love with others. L8er!

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txa1265 replied on 03-11-2009 7:06 AM

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spamineggs:

going to my local gamestops and buying used games only to return them to a different GameStop before 7 days are up (free rental system that they haven't caught on to yet)

There is a word for that ... 'fraud'.  Yes, your 'rental system' is a felony.  Nice ethics.

Back to the subject at hand ... think of how things are earned:

- Points can be bought, but in my 250+ trades I haven't bought a single point yet.  They are generally earned by 'trading'.

- Credits - you can get 1 for referring someone, which has netted me ~a dozen or so.  And since that depends on the other person completing a trade, it means getting someone active in needing trade credits.  Other than than that ... buy them.  That is the basis of the economy.

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I-Weapon-X replied on 03-11-2009 8:41 AM

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this thread makes me angry

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Kameleon replied on 03-11-2009 2:10 PM

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I-Weapon-X:

this thread makes me angry

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Hexpane replied on 03-11-2009 2:35 PM

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so many people looking for a way to scam the system...that is what is wrong w/ the world's economy and why it is crumbling right now.

The most successful people in capitalism, are the biggest scammers who also follow it up w/ cleaning their legal footprints.

Haliburton has made BILLIONS in profit by over charging on no bid contracts for decades on end.  One of the largest in your face scams going.  ANd not a single person has been charged with any crimes.

Such is the sad state of the world, scammers who are real smart win.  Stupid scammers win for a very brief period of time.  Honest folks end up paying higher taxes to offset the constant scamming.

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naytk replied on 03-11-2009 7:53 PM

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Hexpane:

The most successful people in capitalism, are the biggest scammers who also follow it up w/ cleaning their legal footprints.

With all due respect, that depends on your definition of  "successful".

Hexpane:

Such is the sad state of the world, scammers who are real smart win

I certainly agree that the world is in a depressed state, but again, what is winning...  making the most money?  If a person goes through their entire life focusing on only that, then they lose more than they know.  And not knowing what they have lost makes it even more sad.  They haven't won anything.

I'm not sure where I saw the figures for how many trades were completed last year, but I remember looking at the numbers recently and thinking "Wow, that's not a very big top line to divide among expenses and pay 4 employees (including the owners).  They should safegaurd their top line income for now.  Maybe it will increase dramatically in the coming years.  In that case, I may change my opinion, but in the present I still believe points -> trades -> points conversions may not be the best idea for keeping the system profitable enough to be worth the owners' time.

Finding ways to increase income, like starting a separate division of dvd/blu-ray trades might yet be a good idea.  Don't know what the community feels yet... still have to catch up on that thread.

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Hexpane replied on 03-11-2009 8:25 PM

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naytk:

 

I certainly agree that the world is in a depressed state, but again, what is winning...  making the most money?

For capitalism, yes making the most money is winning (as long as you have power as well, winning the lottery doesnt count and "new money" is usually scoffed at unless it's really vast amounts of new money like Bill Gates.

Of course I don't see that as "winning" at life, but by definition capitalism does.  Which is why it's so odd that fake conservatives are crying about "socialism" in the USA and tossing around Ronald Reagan quotes as if he was the last great capitalist and somehow Joe the Plumber is now an expert on macro economics.

I really don't care that much about money, I got lucky and landed a great job that pays well, sure I work hard at it, and I worked hard to get it.  But getting this job was really about coincidence, timing and events coming together.  I know quite a few people smarter and more talented than I am who have been laid off or forced into jobs they hate because of lack of offers elsewhere.

But sadly for someone like Bernie Maddoff, he "won" for most of his life and eventually got caught.    But think of how many others out there are doing similar scams, they aren't getting caught.

It's common knowledge in the real estate industry for example that people got huge jumbo loans by inflating their savings account.  It's the old "borrow" money from you relatives, keep it in your account for a year, then boom get a mega jumbo loan and pay back your family.  Totally unethical and illegal, but half the time the lenders who were also scam artists didnt care if you were lying as long as they could qualify you .

/ramble

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spamineggs replied on 03-11-2009 8:53 PM

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LOL...you make me laugh. I wasn't doing anything outside of the guidelines set by GameStop. So I would hardly call that fraud. And, a felony? HAH, that's a good one. getting a bit dramatic aren't you?

anyway, after I posted my comment I read some of the other posts about this subject. I now understand how this would be bad for goozex. so I retract my idea, keep things as they are. bye

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FlashT3 replied on 03-11-2009 9:30 PM

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I've gotta ask, even though I already know the answer...  If you're within the guidelines of the GS return policy, then why don't you return the games to the same store you bought them from.  What are you afraid of?

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spamineggs replied on 03-11-2009 10:05 PM

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I used to be a manager at one of the Game Stops, and I know how returns affect the store's overall 'score' negatively. If too many points are acquired, the store (all employees) would get write-up (one of the reason's I left the company). Like we had any control over who decided to stop and return games. anyway, I would buy from my old store and return at a different one.

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Black Fox Zulu replied on 03-11-2009 10:10 PM

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spamineggs:

Like we had any control over who decided to stop and return games.

lmao

Ironic quote of the week.