Obama's healthcare policy is not to socialize the system?
Socialized healthcare would be great for someone who would use it. But for people like myself who havent gone to a doctor in over 10 years it would be more a theft since they would have to increase taxes considerably to pay for it. If they allowed me to opt out I wouldnt have any problem with it.
But then again if I could opt out of stuff I would not put into social security or medicare, and whatever percentage of my tax money that goes to welfare cause I won't be using that either.
McCain (R) (Prez)Kratovil (D) (Congress)yes to slots at horsetracks
My big three today, and the only one I am anal about is the slots as that menas more education money for the state.
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mafafu: McCain (R) (Prez)Kratovil (D) (Congress)yes to slots at horsetracks My big three today, and the only one I am anal about is the slots as that menas more education money for the state.
I'm not even sure what state you live in so I'm not familiar with the slots thing, but be careful. In Florida when they voted to take money from the lottery to fund education, the state used it as an excuse to reduce education funding. Just a heads up.
Ricky0282: mafafu: McCain (R) (Prez)Kratovil (D) (Congress)yes to slots at horsetracks My big three today, and the only one I am anal about is the slots as that menas more education money for the state. I'm not even sure what state you live in so I'm not familiar with the slots thing, but be careful. In Florida when they voted to take money from the lottery to fund education, the state used it as an excuse to reduce education funding. Just a heads up.
I have heard about that, but Maryland has a long history of over- funding everything as a Democratic state.
Ricky0282: Obama's healthcare policy is not to socialize the system?
Is this a question or a statement? Because Obama's plan is definitely to socialize the system.
im not for this whole obama healthcare plan where someone has to have their children enrolled and has to pay for it and that they will be penalized if they decline it for their children or themselves. i can see why he wants to do it because hospitals need to get paid and so many people flake on their bills, but if you loook at most of the southwestern hospitals that close and some across the nation it is because illegal immigrants who go to the e.r. and get patched up and then shipped back home and come back again and get hurt again.
if a person barely makes more what the government finds sufficent (which reallly isn't) then they are left out for dry and your children can't get free healthcare in arizona. i know this because my mom was a single mother of two making just above the line and couldn't afford healthcare and could barely cover living expenses. leading me to something another person already said, i almost never go to a doctor unless im really banged up. i've been to the doctors for myself a handful of times: 1. when i was born 2. when i had a hernia 3. when i broke my wrist and had to get a cast 4. when my brother shot me in the head with an arrow (a funny story). So why should i be penalized or have to get a good chunk taken out my check or taxes for that when i rather see my taxes go for schooling.
the government needs to stop foolishly spending money for example the tucson unified school district is having to close schools and cut costs on buses and school supplies, but my local government is going to build a wall to protect these people who willing moved to where they are from freeway noise because they cried a little bit.
Hey, great discussion in this thread so far. I can only imagine where it might go tomorrow.
For those saying they "hardly ever go to the doctor" and don't understand why they should pay out of their paychecks for something they think might never need, you're too young and looking to the immediate future instead of the long term. Not carrying health care for yourself, family, etc. is just about as dangerous as driving without car insurance (somehow I think I might be afraid of hearing what that ratio might be here on Goozex). Expecting things to not happen to you either because you just don't believe it will or because you're still in that teenage period of invincibility is a very dangerous habit.
I won't disagree with the notion that the government spends too much money on certain programs or misguided solutions (No Child Left Behind comes to mind). However I'm one of those people that would never put much above my own health (and of course the health of others). If you don't have that, guess what. You're dead.
Not to sound morbid or anything.
if you have socialized medicine, will you have a choice to who you pay? Because of competition aren't you allowed to have zero coverage or pick from one of the providers.
I know many people who pay for medical insurance but it's for the "if crap happens" and not the full blown coverage I pay for on my family. Why force this single guy to pay for my kids getting sick.
My work, all salary employees have unlimited sick. One of the reasons people don't go is because we got to pay out of pocket until you hit a deductible. If the health care was free ( as in i don't pay per visit and it's PPO type care ) I bet sick days go up 50-100% if not more for those with kids and family.
If health care was socialized, i will say without a doubt if my kids got a scratch I'm sending him/her. Why not? Just in case right? Right now I call the nurse and i actually have to considering "do I take them and possibly pay a $100 visit or just see if they can tough it out". Like posters above I've only been to the doc a couple times and those were because I needed stitches on my eye lid and to fix my jammed toe nail (that hurt like a mother)
If socialized medicine covers dentistry, I know for a fact thousands of people will NOT be a dentist. I don't know many dentists who become one because they love looking at jacked up teeth. They do it because of the fields of medicine you get paid very very well. My buddy just graduate and he would have a fit if he got paid less because grad school was over 250k (doesn't include undergrad).
side note: This guy at work just told some lady that we shouldn't isolate all the ghetto's. Instead we should let them out and talk with them. That way they don't riot or become a menace. He wanted to treat it like how he disciplines his son with communication.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAH. I was about to piss my pants when I heard that. I told him to go to the 5th ward in Houston and have a nice chat with them to see if they will stop burning down the buildings and cars.
Right. Obama's plan has 3 prongs; none of which are socializing the system. From his website:
The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing healthcare system, and uses existing providers, doctors and plans to implement the plan.
The Obama plan will lower health care costs by $2,500 for a typical family by investing in health information technology, prevention and care coordination.
Obama and Biden will require coverage of preventive services, including cancer screenings, and will increase state and local preparedness for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
I think the primary idea is just to reduce insurance costs. They have been going up like crazy the last 5 years or so, and any reductions can only be a good thing. A lot of people can't get on a decent health care plan, so now they will be able to get on the same plan government officials are on. It makes sense to me.
I think Hillary Clinton clearly did want to socialize health care, but she isn't the candidate.
Samas: Hey, great discussion in this thread so far. I can only imagine where it might go tomorrow. For those saying they "hardly ever go to the doctor" and don't understand why they should pay out of their paychecks for something they think might never need, you're too young and looking to the immediate future instead of the long term. Not carrying health care for yourself, family, etc. is just about as dangerous as driving without car insurance (somehow I think I might be afraid of hearing what that ratio might be here on Goozex). Expecting things to not happen to you either because you just don't believe it will or because you're still in that teenage period of invincibility is a very dangerous habit. I won't disagree with the notion that the government spends too much money on certain programs or misguided solutions (No Child Left Behind comes to mind). However I'm one of those people that would never put much above my own health (and of course the health of others). If you don't have that, guess what. You're dead. Not to sound morbid or anything.
Actually into my 30's, and I do keep health insurance from my employer. I just don't go. That is emergency only, and I'm sorry but sneezing and coughing isn't an emergency. I better need an ambulance if i'm going to the doctor. I hear too many stories of people needing real help going to an emergency room only to have to wait because people come in with problems they coudl have solved at home with medicine.
And yes i understand some people do need to go to doctors. My mother had cancer, had to have all kinds of surgery spend weeks in ICU, and have chemo. Stuff wasn't cheap by any means. But my father had insurance and he paid what bills he had to pay. He didn't get any help from the government, and surely wouldn't have excepted it. That's not the way we were brought up.
mk500: Right. Obama's plan has 3 prongs; none of which are socializing the system. From his website:
No offense, but I doubt Obama is going to post on his website the quote, "Yes, I am going to socialize medicine."
He's also going to make the health insurance that government employees use available for those who can't get insurance through their employer. The idea being that if more people join then the cost to remain in that pool will go down, making it more affordable.
I fail to see how this is socialized health insurance when you still have the option to receive health insurance through you employer.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Spooon seems to be suggesting that my taxes would go towards someone else's children's health insurance. That is not what's happening here.
well as a person who is in okay shape now (i do get sick a good deal and have been so since thurs.) and i know how to take care of myself there is no reason i need to have health insurance now (maybe when im older like 55+), but i have to pay for everybody who ends up being hypochondriacs to go visit the hospital.
IMO no its not as dangerous as driving without car insurance (it is AZ state law to have at least minium coverage) because im not about to have a heart attack because of someone else, but i could get into an accident and be out of a car because some guy didn't stop at a stop sign or red light. i have taken classes about human anatomy and biology plus i keep up on info like disease spreading around and signs to tell if soething is going bad and background hisyory on my family (i took some med classes for a while thinking i wanted to be a doctor or pharmacologist and now im questioning if thats what i want to do).